[arista]

[Staff at two primary schools in Greater Manchester
have gone on strike over claims their reports
of violence and daily assaults are being ignored
by senior leadership.

Teachers at Lily Lane Primary School in Moston
and Ravensfield Primary School in Dukinfield
have walked out following claims that pupils
have been biting and kicking staff,
throwing furniture and, at Ravensfield,
bringing knives to school.

One of the teachers told the BBC nothing
is being done to protect children
or staff and members of The Teachers' Union (NASUWT)
are set to strike three days a
week throughout January.

The Changing Lives in Collaboration (CLIC) Trust,
which is responsible for managing both schools,
said the safety and wellbeing of pupils and staff
in all its schools was "of the very highest priority".
Jo Ashcroft, chief executive officer of the trust,
said it respects the right of union members
to strike but that it was "disappointing" they
had done so when it had not had chance to
respond to their concerns.
She said both schools would remain open
throughout strike action.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly1kn0mx3do


Was just debated on ITV1 GMB

[Cherie]

Shocking

[BBXX]

This is relatively common nowadays unfortunately.

[thesheriff443]

I know of one through a friend

[AnnieK]

Moston and Duckinfield and majorly under deprived areas and rough. This doesn't surprise me sadly.

[Livia]

The parents are responsible. Make them accountable! Why is it someone else's problem when their hid acts like a violent little hoodlum? Fine them, jail them... but make it their problem.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

The parents are responsible. Make them accountable! Why is it someone else's problem when their hid acts like a violent little hoodlum? Fine them, jail them... but make it their problem.

Seems sensible, only problem is some parents think their little darlings can do no wrong

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

The parents are responsible. Make them accountable! Why is it someone else's problem when their hid acts like a violent little hoodlum? Fine them, jail them... but make it their problem.

Of Course

[Alf]

Bring back the birch.

A tanned arse would sort the little sods out.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bring back the birch.

A tanned arse would sort the little sods out.

The teachers aint tough enough to do it these days.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

The parents are responsible. Make them accountable! Why is it someone else's problem when their hid acts like a violent little hoodlum? Fine them, jail them... but make it their problem.

I definitely support giving the parents a fine.

You'll soon see the kids behaving themselves.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

The teachers aint tough enough to do it these days.

That’s because it’s assault

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That’s because it’s assault

So!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Parmy

So!

You can't assault children Parmnion.

I'm all for edgy stuff but that's going too far, even for me.

[Parmy]

Jail the little ***** then.

[Ninastar]

I have things thrown at me daily but that’s bc I work with the kids who have the behaviour problems. I love what I do, but it’s not for the weak. (Not that I’m strong but you have to be able to take insults and laugh them off.)

I will say this tho, I’ve worked with kids for almost two decades (I wanna throw up that makes me sound so old) and behaviour of children these days is worse than it’s ever been. Kids have no respect and are so incredibly entitled. They know that they can do what they want and have next to no punishment because their parents do not care. They just see school as day care and then when their kids come home they are just handed an iPad or tablet or some kind of technology so they don’t bother their parents. Something 100% needs to change. Parents should be held accountable, but they don’t care enough. Here they will just ship a badly behaved student from school to school which solves nothing

[Niamh.]

Stick to the topic please, not each other

PS Parmy @NIAMH is a different member, mine is @Niamh.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

So!

Because hitting kids is not discipline. It is just an inadequate adult losing control.

If you need to smack a child to get obedience, you cannot teach or parent for that matter:

This has been studied to death. It causes fear, anger, anxiety. It does not fix behaviour. It just shuts kids up until they break later. Congrats on the long term damage.

Teachers are there to teach.

This opinion is old, lazy, and cruel.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Because hitting kids is not discipline. It is just an inadequate adult losing control.

If you need to smack a child to get obedience, you cannot teach or parent for that matter:

This has been studied to death. It causes fear, anger, anxiety. It does not fix behaviour. It just shuts kids up until they break later. Congrats on the long term damage.

Teachers are there to teach.

This opinion is old, lazy, and cruel.

It worked better than what we have today.

The story proves this.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

It worked better than what we have today.

The story proves this.

If it worked so well, we would not have generations of traumatised adults who think violence and prison are normal tools for children. As proven by your views.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

It worked better than what we have today.

The story proves this.

There's a balance in there somewhere, violence is not the answer here, actual proper parenting would help. These kids obviously aren't worried about any repercussions when they get home if they are badly behaved or disrespectful to the teachers.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I definitely support giving the parents a fine.

You'll soon see the kids behaving themselves.

It begins at home. My kids aren't little angels, they push it like all kids. But there are consequences, always. Some of these children have no boundaries and that's down to the parents. No one should go to work and expect to be assaulted, least of all teachers.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's a balance in there somewhere, violence is not the answer here, actual proper parenting would help. These kids obviously aren't worried about any repercussions when they get home if they are badly behaved or disrespectful to the teachers.

So kids who's parents are not disciplining them are acting violently at school.

Locked away playing GTAV when they get home probably. Free from the threat of meaningful punishment. Free to act out violent fantasies these games cause to the immature mind.


Get the slipper on their arses. Make them think twice.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Parmy

So kids who's parents are not disciplining them are acting violently at school.

Locked away playing GTAV when they get home probably. Free from the threat of meaningful punishment. Free to act out violent fantasies these games cause to the immature mind.


Get the slipper on their arses. Make them think twice.

Spot on.

[BBXX]

I absolutely agree this lies with the parents. It seems a lot of parents expect teachers to help raise their children, rather than just teach. Even outside of violence, more kids than ever are coming to school unable to talk properly and one in four not toilet trained. Having said that, smacking your kid isn't the answer. Decades of research proves smacking kids doesn't help. It causes all manner of issues and teaches them to resort to violence to get their point across.

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Studies, including a major 50-year review of research involving over 160,000 children, have concluded that physical punishment does more harm than good.

Ineffective for Long-Term Behavior: While a smack may result in immediate compliance due to fear, it does not lead to long-term changes in behavior or help children develop self-control or moral reasoning. Children may learn to obey only when an adult is present, rather than internalizing why their actions were wrong.

Worsens Behavior: Research consistently finds a definitive link between physical punishment and increased behavioral problems, such as aggression and antisocial behavior. In fact, spanking often predicts increases in aggression over time.

Negative Mental Health Impact: Smacking is associated with an increased risk of mental health problems, including anxiety, depression, low self-esteem, and self-harm, that can persist into adulthood.

Damages Parent-Child Relationship: Physical punishment can erode trust and lead children to fear their parents, damaging the quality of the parent-child relationship.

Risk of Escalation: There is a clear link between physical punishment and physical abuse; many cases of abuse begin as an intended form of physical discipline that escalates, especially when parents are stressed or angry.

Impaired Cognitive Development: Some studies have also linked more frequent use of corporal punishment with lower scores on cognitive ability tests.