[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s clever in that he nicks bits from this and bits from that .. songs from 30 odd years ago that will sound completely new to youngsters or even twenty somethings

Agreed its populist slop for the uninitiated. Sad really but they were doing it in the 70s

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Agreed its populist slop for the uninitiated. Sad really but they were doing it in the 70s

I heard one of his new songs on the radio a few years ago .. they made a fuss about it being the first time played on UK radio

It immediately sounded so familiar that I Shazamed it presuming it was a cover …. it wasn’t

[Swan]

Said it before, she's who kids should look up to, not a Kardashian, or other worthless reality "stars". Her music isn't for everyone i know, and some of it is quite dull (wasn't overly impressed with her latest album), but i do like quite a few of her songs. Not really got a bad word to say about her. She seems like a genuinely good person.

[Oliver_W]

She just makes music for teen girls, it doesn't need to be groundbreaking, it is what it is - and what is it? Very lucrative for her!

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

She just makes music for teen girls, it doesn't need to be groundbreaking, it is what it is - and what is it? Very lucrative for her!

Strongest demographic is from 18 to 34. Big secondary group is 35 to 44.

Her demographic isn’t teens

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No one is hating, get a grip Ben its just forum nonsense

I just find it sad, that’s all. I’m not the one who needs to get a grip.

(That’s not aimed at you btw)

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Strongest demographic is from 18 to 34. Big secondary group is 35 to 44.

Her demographic isn’t teens

Fair enough, she's not my thing so I've not looked or thought too much into it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I just find it sad, that’s all. I’m not the one who needs to get a grip.

(That’s not aimed at you btw)

Its sad a billionaire is releasing ringtones to young, vulnerable "fans"

I think we all agree there

sickening

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Its sad a billionaire is releasing ringtones to young, vulnerable "fans"

I think we all agree there

sickening

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Big money in ringtones

look at crazy frog

he is minted

Crazy Frog.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Moneys not everything, music will not be her legacy

Is she famous for doing other stuff?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Its sad a billionaire is releasing ringtones to young, vulnerable "fans"

I think we all agree there

sickening

I think you’re just a moaner, and showing your age.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is she famous for doing other stuff?

Music and songwriting
1. Writing or co writing almost all her songs.
2. Confessional lyrics about love, breakups, fame, and power.
3. Turning personal drama into global pop culture moments.
4. Genre hopping. Country, pop, synth pop, indie folk, alternative.
5. Story driven albums with clear eras and themes.
6. Easter eggs hidden in lyrics, visuals, dates, and captions. Fans hunt them like sport.

Albums and eras
7. Creating distinct visual and sonic eras for each album.
8. Reinventing her image without losing her core audience.
9. Surprise album drops that break the internet.
10. Re recording her old albums to regain ownership. A boss move.

Live performance and touring
11. Stadium tours that sell out in minutes.
12. The Eras Tour. One of the biggest tours in music history.
13. Three plus hour shows with no breaks. Cardio and spite.
14. Turning concerts into full scale theatre.

Business and power
15. Owning her masters through re recordings.
16. Redefining artist power in the music industry.
17. Forcing labels and streamers to change deals.
18. Building a brand worth billions.
19. Strategic silence when it benefits her. Strategic chaos when it does not.

Awards and records
20. Multiple Grammy Album of the Year wins. A record.
21. Most streamed artist globally in multiple years.
22. Chart domination across decades.
23. Breaking vinyl, streaming, and ticket sale records at will.

Cultural influence
24. Turning lyrics into common phrases.
25. Influencing fashion trends every era.
26. Inspiring academic courses. Yes, universities teach her.
27. Fueling endless online discourse. Think pieces never sleep.
28. Reviving interest in albums as full bodies of work.

Fan culture
29. One of the most organised fanbases on earth.
30. Encouraging deep parasocial loyalty. She knows exactly what she is doing.
31. Turning fans into unpaid detectives.

Feminism and media narratives
32. Public battles with sexism in media.
33. Calling out double standards in fame and dating.
34. Reclaiming the villain edit and weaponising it.
35. Making ambition fashionable for women again.

Film and visual work
36. Directing her own music videos.
37. Writing and directing short films.
38. Concert films that dominate cinemas.
39. Visual storytelling as part of the album experience.

Philanthropy and impact
40. Large scale donations to food banks on tour stops.
41. Quiet personal charity support.
42. Boosting local economies wherever she tours. Cities track it.

Public persona
43. Carefully controlled privacy.
44. Selective interviews.
45. Mastery of narrative timing.
46. Being endlessly analysed. Exhausting, profitable.

Internet and meme culture
47. Becoming a meme without trying.
48. Lyrics used daily on social media.
49. Reaction gifs everywhere.

Legacy building
50. Longevity across four generations of fans.
51. Being treated as a legacy act while still peaking.
52. Setting the blueprint for future pop stars

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Strongest demographic is from 18 to 34. Big secondary group is 35 to 44.

Her demographic isn’t teens

I think that her Music started out for teens tbf.

But her fans have obviously grown up, so that would explain why most of her fanbase are in their 30's or 40's.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Music and songwriting
1. Writing or co writing almost all her songs.
2. Confessional lyrics about love, breakups, fame, and power.
3. Turning personal drama into global pop culture moments.
4. Genre hopping. Country, pop, synth pop, indie folk, alternative.
5. Story driven albums with clear eras and themes.
6. Easter eggs hidden in lyrics, visuals, dates, and captions. Fans hunt them like sport.

Albums and eras
7. Creating distinct visual and sonic eras for each album.
8. Reinventing her image without losing her core audience.
9. Surprise album drops that break the internet.
10. Re recording her old albums to regain ownership. A boss move.

Live performance and touring
11. Stadium tours that sell out in minutes.
12. The Eras Tour. One of the biggest tours in music history.
13. Three plus hour shows with no breaks. Cardio and spite.
14. Turning concerts into full scale theatre.

Business and power
15. Owning her masters through re recordings.
16. Redefining artist power in the music industry.
17. Forcing labels and streamers to change deals.
18. Building a brand worth billions.
19. Strategic silence when it benefits her. Strategic chaos when it does not.

Awards and records
20. Multiple Grammy Album of the Year wins. A record.
21. Most streamed artist globally in multiple years.
22. Chart domination across decades.
23. Breaking vinyl, streaming, and ticket sale records at will.

Cultural influence
24. Turning lyrics into common phrases.
25. Influencing fashion trends every era.
26. Inspiring academic courses. Yes, universities teach her.
27. Fueling endless online discourse. Think pieces never sleep.
28. Reviving interest in albums as full bodies of work.

Fan culture
29. One of the most organised fanbases on earth.
30. Encouraging deep parasocial loyalty. She knows exactly what she is doing.
31. Turning fans into unpaid detectives.

Feminism and media narratives
32. Public battles with sexism in media.
33. Calling out double standards in fame and dating.
34. Reclaiming the villain edit and weaponising it.
35. Making ambition fashionable for women again.

Film and visual work
36. Directing her own music videos.
37. Writing and directing short films.
38. Concert films that dominate cinemas.
39. Visual storytelling as part of the album experience.

Philanthropy and impact
40. Large scale donations to food banks on tour stops.
41. Quiet personal charity support.
42. Boosting local economies wherever she tours. Cities track it.

Public persona
43. Carefully controlled privacy.
44. Selective interviews.
45. Mastery of narrative timing.
46. Being endlessly analysed. Exhausting, profitable.

Internet and meme culture
47. Becoming a meme without trying.
48. Lyrics used daily on social media.
49. Reaction gifs everywhere.

Legacy building
50. Longevity across four generations of fans.
51. Being treated as a legacy act while still peaking.
52. Setting the blueprint for future pop stars

Fair enough.

I mainly know her for her songs and for being in a relationship with the NFL player tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is she famous for doing other stuff?

no just singing

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Fair enough.

I mainly know her for her songs and for being in a relationship with the NFL player tbh.

People LOVE to diminish a powerful successful woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People LOVE to diminish a powerful successful woman.

thankfully

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People LOVE to diminish a powerful successful woman.

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

thankfully

See

[BBXX]

There is no denying she is uber successful and will leave an insane legacy behind. Fair play to her, she's worked her arse off evidently and she's also extremely generous with her wealth. However, she's a billionaire and sits alongside all other billionaires in having too much wealth. Not to mention her carbon footprint is ****ing gross.

I personally dislike the majority of her music, just not my personal taste and I personally think the fact she releases so many songs and albums in quick succession show how surface level a lot of them are. But that is just my opinion based on my own music taste.

Having said that, The Fate of Ophelia is a fantastic pop song, and I can't help but have The Man stuck in my head for days if I happen to hear it. She's obviously got talent of creating pop songs, they're just not my jam 99% of the time.

[Zizu]

She only writes a few of her songs herself ..

I saw a short documentary on her career and she normally co-writes with many of the best songwriting teams around



Money talks ..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

There is no denying she is uber successful and will leave an insane legacy behind. Fair play to her, she's worked her arse off evidently and she's also extremely generous with her wealth. However, she's a billionaire and sits alongside all other billionaires in having too much wealth. Not to mention her carbon footprint is ****ing gross.

I personally dislike the majority of her music, just not my personal taste and I personally think the fact she releases so many songs and albums in quick succession show how surface level a lot of them are. But that is just my opinion based on my own music taste.

Having said that, The Fate of Ophelia is a fantastic pop song, and I can't help but have The Man stuck in my head for days if I happen to hear it. She's obviously got talent of creating pop songs, they're just not my jam 99% of the time.

she has the HIGHEST carbon footprint of any celeb

its actually worrying

Her private jet usage amounted to an estimated 8,300 tonnes of carbon
emissions in 2022 – that’s about 1,800 times the average human’s annual
emissions, or 576 times that of the average American and about 1,000 times
that of the average European.

where is Greta?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

She only writes a few of her songs herself ..

I saw a short documentary on her career and she normally co-writes with many of the best songwriting teams around

Money talks ..

She is essentially a brand and is running a business. She is savvy and fair enough.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

She only writes a few of her songs herself ..

I saw a short documentary on her career and she normally co-writes with many of the best songwriting teams around

Money talks ..

She doesn't. We’ve had this discussion before. She writes all of her songs before she goes into the studio where they are defined and recorded.

[Glenn.]

Here is what the evidence says about Taylor Swift and songwriting:

• Taylor Swift writes her own songs. She has writing credit on every song she has released. Most have her name as a songwriter on official credits. 

• Many songs are co-written with others like Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Max Martin. That is common in pop music. But her lyrical and melodic ideas are real and credited. 

• In some cases she wrote entire albums solo. For example, Speak Now was written only by her. 

• Taylor herself has publicly rejected claims she doesn’t write her music, saying she writes all her songs and that it is false to say otherwise. 

• Some artists and collaborators defend her writing process, saying her creative role is significant and hands-on. 

Claims like “she doesn’t write her own songs at all” ignore the official credits and her own statements.

In simple terms:
• You can trust that Swift writes or co-writes her songs.
• She is not a pop puppet with ghostwriters doing the work.
• Co-writing does not mean she didn’t write anything. It means she worked with others on parts of the song.