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Originally Posted by GiRTh
There have been claims suggesting that political groups may have used this incident to support their broader arguments. Regardless of those claims, the central facts remain important.
Renee Gold did not die by her own actions; she was shot by an ICE officer during a federal immigration operation. The officer involved had spent his career in federal immigration enforcement and had never served as a police officer. ICE officers operate under federal authority with powers that are limited to immigration‑related investigations and do not have the same jurisdiction as local or state police.
It is therefore inaccurate to imply that Gold was responsible for her own death. The shooting was carried out by a federal agent acting within a specific, limited mandate.
Although the officer has been cleared in the initial review, it is possible that a civil lawsuit may follow, as is common in cases involving the use of force by federal personnel.
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You are 100% wrong on US law and especially on federal jurisdiction. Local police know you don't obstruct a federal officer while they are working. There's a reason they have to get an OK with the agencies to cooperate on investigations. These two came with the intention to obstruct and it's proven at this point. Regardless, right to self-defense is applicable whether you are an officer or civilian. Even if it were "outside the capacity" with his line of work, those rights are still intact. These takes may work overseas and online, but the average person here understands almost instinctively if someone comes at you in a vehicle or in any dangerous capacity and you're armed, you have a right to defend your life on US soil. Period.
Civil suits are absurdly common in all law enforcement, not just federal. It would be more unusual for there not to be a civil suit. There can be entire videos showing the claim is absurdly false, but they sit in court for multiple hearings, which in some municipalities can take over a year to get through the docket. It takes that long for a judge to go beyond the initial claim (reports) to peak at the evidence to see if it is even worth going to trial (jury or bench). Lawyers rely on this to try to force a settlement or they have a particular dumb client that they are milking. Our system is janky like that.
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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock
That person on Twitter has never studied history I see.
We wouldn't have half of the rights that we have today if it weren't for people taking the law into their own hands.
Obviously you have to pick your battles, but throughout history it has been the only way to get your voice heard sometimes.
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Yes, but frankly, as a citizen I'm not willing to live in a society where it becomes normal or acceptable to use vehicles against one another other to make some big point. I'm far more worried about that than I am worried about guns. It's become a problem outside of just political stuff. Anyone is capable of it because society is sending the message, if their grievances are large enough, they can bully others by whatever means necessary. It's becoming more common for those means to be from behind the wheel. It doesn't seem to matter what demographic or background they fit, some just think if they're behind a wheel, they're unstoppable... I've seen videos of grandma throwing rocks at another car while moving 70mph on a highway. There's been a lot of incidences of this of late.
09-01-2026, 07:51 PM
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