[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

No I have a brain.

So what did they say then?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

So what did they say then?

All in the thread here matey. Have a read

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

All in the thread here matey. Have a read

I will take your word for it, whatever it was.

Im not trawling through 3 pages of a thread about a woman getting her face blown off.

[thesheriff443]

Fcuk around and find out sums up this shooting

If someone has a gun you do what they tell you

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

Also to add, American culture has always leaned somewhat towards "being ungovernable". That's why our laws and policing (policy) has to be at that point as well, because we do live in a more brazen population, that does have more access to weapons and are more willing to use anything as a means, even over ridiculous petty things (like aggressive driving). So we do heavily rely on laws that lean towards supporting self-defense, because we don't know who is armed and what they are capable of. This is how both federal officers and police are trained. If they have a weapon, they've been trained when it is and isn't appropriate to use this. So, yes, if America is said to be the "Wild West", then in this aspect it's 100% true.

I understand that tbf.

It's just officers of the law need to be more composed imo, and only deciding to pull the trigger when they feel there was no other option on the table.

Where as the guy in the video did have another option (which was to move out of the way) and instead he took the more lethal option.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The last thing she saw:

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've just read some of Renee Goode's "award winning" poetry. I'm guessing there's not a lot of money in being a poet if that's the pretentious, self-indulgent level of your work, and that she had a side line. In comparison "There was a young man from Nantucket" is positively Laureate standard.

Tbf, Poetry is pretentious as ****, it's like watching certain Netflix Shows.

With all due respect to Poetry fans.

[bots]

Poetry is designed to evoke emotion, and it clearly affected @Livia

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by bots

Poetry is designed to evoke emotion, and it clearly affected @Livia

Think it was just a way of diminishing a woman who had her head blown off. Far right mind virus.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bots

Poetry is designed to evoke emotion, and it clearly affected @Livia

Yeah, but not in a good way...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, Poetry is pretentious as ****, it's like watching certain Netflix Shows.

With all due respect to Poetry fans.

I love poetry, so long as it's good poetry.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I understand that tbf.

It's just officers of the law need to be more composed imo, and only deciding to pull the trigger when they feel there was no other option on the table.

Where as the guy in the video did have another option (which was to move out of the way) and instead he took the more lethal option.

That's not how Self Defense works in the US. You do not have to wait to defend yourself after someone elses comes at you with a deadly weapon. The "protesters" know this, that's why they are switching to vehicles because they think there's more leeway there to put officers at risk. There isn't. Anyone is authorized to use deadly force to defend themselves if someone comes for them in that kind of manner and it is not expected that the person is meant to have perfect vision in the moment to determine otherwise. These are split second decisions that can save or take your life.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

:

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bots

Poetry is designed to evoke emotion, and it clearly affected @Livia

That explains my opinion on Poetry then.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I love poetry, so long as it's good poetry.

Fair enough, it's good that we all have different taste imo.

Because I do think that it's a good thing that Poetry exists as an artform, it's probably the last place that AI can tarnish too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

:

Sure a Legal Angle,
His final conclusion at the end
Is it a Culture War
and there maybe evidennce they do not see,
No Prosecution.


Good he showed the Clip of a reporter
with a Ice Agent in a SUV

[Ammi]

…it’s horrendous and terrifying and tragic that a woman is dead now in what an ice agent knew would be a ‘death shot’ and that didn’t have to be the outcome, it was an extreme action…that in itself is terrifying but also that the world is so politically divided atm that human life can be lost and dismissed so easily when that life didn’t align in the same politics…it creates a ‘buzz in the internet’ that’s almost gleeful…as a humankind, we are becoming desensitised to death and to the value of human life and preserving it…

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s horrendous and terrifying and tragic that a woman is dead now in what an ice agent knew would be a ‘death shot’ and that didn’t have to be the outcome, it was an extreme action…that in itself is terrifying but also that the world is so politically divided atm that human life can be lost and dismissed so easily when that life didn’t align in the same politics…it creates a ‘buzz in the internet’ that’s almost gleeful…as a humankind, we are becoming desensitised to death and to the value of human life and preserving it…

She was asked to leave her SUV


She Refused
and drove off fast


She would have been arrested
but Alive and well.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Maru

That's not how Self Defense works in the US. You do not have to wait to defend yourself after someone elses comes at you with a deadly weapon.

But it is how the Department of Justice guidelines work - you are not permitted to shoot to slow a vehicle down, even one coming at you, if you're able to move out of the way - which he could, because he did. Remember, two of his three shots came from the side of the vehicle, once it had already got past him.

The "protesters" know this, that's why they are switching to vehicles because they think there's more leeway there to put officers at risk.

This implies on this occasion there was a premeditated act to drive at him and use the car as a deadly weapon. This is proven not to be the case by the very fact we see her turning her vehicle away from all officers in a bid to leave. If she wanted to drive straight at him, she wouldn't have reversed and manoeuvred the vehicle into a position that would allow her to drive through the space she did.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by arista

She was asked to leave her SUV


She Refused
and drove off fast


She would have been arrested
but Alive and well.

You still haven't laid any blame at his door, or criticised him for going against his training and guidelines. His failure to act as he was supposed to, and was trained to, was the thing that resulted in her death.

[arista]

Originally Posted by BBXX

You still haven't laid any blame at his door, or criticised him for going against his training and guidelines. His failure to act as he was supposed to, and was trained to, was the thing that resulted in her death.

Soon the Trump Government will rule on it

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

She was asked to leave her SUV


She Refused
and drove off fast


She would have been arrested
but Alive and well.

…she was ordered to leave her SUV and sadly we’re in a world/society that so many have the mindset of ‘don’t trust authority or officialdom’, that’s something we all hear everyday…this incident only reinforces the lack of trust that the public will have in any type of officialdom, I would say as that there were options of firing at the tyres of the vehicle or as her partner said, they weren’t changing their number plates or in any way ‘hiding’, they could come find them…go to their home and arrests could have been made if that was appropriate…any breaking of the law and the law could have dealt with it but this is the furthest from that, this is a gun dealing with it …a gun that was in the control of someone who didn’t like ‘being obeyed’….

…there are many options which would have kept her alive and well but the gun holder completely disregarded those in favour of a death shot through the window of the vehicle…

[arista]

[only reinforces the lack of trust that the public
will have in any type of officialdom]

Only some anti-Trump folks

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

[only reinforces the lack of trust that the public
will have in any type of officialdom]

Only some anti-Trump folks

…stop being silly, Arista…this isn’t about pro or anti Trump, isn’t that a huge part of the problem of how politicised and politically divided the world has become…this is about an incident which could have resulted in no loss of life but someone representing an authority made a decision to end a life, that didn’t have to happen…they chose their ‘first response’ to their order, a death shot…that’s an awful regime in any country and under any leader…

[Ammi]

…anyway, there’s nothing else to add arm, there’s no benefit in repeating the same thing…the response was extreme and not necessary or in proportion to anything/there was no perceived threat to see in any of the vids shown, no one should have been grieving a loved one right now…society’s desensitisation to value and loss of human life adds another layer of ‘terrifying’…