[Maru]

Originally Posted by Livia

Trump has stated that Nato forces "avoided the front line" in Afghanistan. As someone whose first husband died of wounds he received in Afghan, I'd like to say it is a dangerous thing to insult those who've stood by you. He should be asked to apologise. Immediately.

This is the first time I've heard that and I'm very sad to hear about your loss, but even more upset that you're now having to listen to this dipshit trivialize your loss. I don't think an apology fixes it, as he's said similar disparaging things towards our own military. It should've been obvious this is not something to say in the first place.

[Zizu]

^^^^^

Excellent post above and my thoughts go out to you as well , Livia .

Hugz

[Livia]

Thanks @Maru and @Zizu, it's a while ago now, I remarried and had a lovely family, but I remember the pain and so many people went through it, not just spouses, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends... To have it trivialised makes me so mad. It was bad enough when Biden pulled out of Afghanistan making our own position untenable and making it feel like it was all for nothing, but Trump's words stamp on the more than 450 graves, never mind those who were wounded losing limbs and sometimes their mind. Britain was there from start to finish. His words were unthinkably callous.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

Thanks @Maru and @Zizu, it's a while ago now, I remarried and had a lovely family, but I remember the pain and so many people went through it, not just spouses, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends... To have it trivialised makes me so mad. It was bad enough when Biden pulled out of Afghanistan making our own position untenable and making it feel like it was all for nothing, but Trump's words stamp on the more than 450 graves, never mind those who were wounded losing limbs and sometimes their mind. Britain was there from start to finish. His words were unthinkably callous.

The problem is that he has history. Look how he treated McCain, look what he has said about his own soldiers who died in wars. It's not someone who is clumsy with his words. He means exactly what he says and people do need to stand up to him

I believe many have placated him in the past because they felt that was the best way to keep him in his box, but they now know that strategy no longer works. Behind the scenes, all sorts of things are being planned to mitigate against the worst of it. Very little will come out in public, but the easiest way to defend against this is to hit America where it hurts, in it's wallet. America is very vulnerable because it is servicing a huge debt mountain that is growing all the time. Just watch what happens there over the next 18 months

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Thanks @Maru and @Zizu, it's a while ago now, I remarried and had a lovely family, but I remember the pain and so many people went through it, not just spouses, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, friends... To have it trivialised makes me so mad. It was bad enough when Biden pulled out of Afghanistan making our own position untenable and making it feel like it was all for nothing, but Trump's words stamp on the more than 450 graves, never mind those who were wounded losing limbs and sometimes their mind. Britain was there from start to finish. His words were unthinkably callous.

I can’t even imagine. Very sorry for your loss, Livia.

[arista]