[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember at the time of his appointment there were rumblings from the security services that were played down. The suggestion that he was not the man for the role came from several different directions, as I recall.

He was appointed because he had history with Trump via Epstein its the only explanation

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He was appointed because he had history with Trump via Epstein its the only explanation

I mostly remember him replacing Mo Mowlam as Northern Ireland secretary around the time of the Good Friday Agreement. She was described as having the respect of both sides. He was described as arrogant and insecure.

[Vanessa]

Why haven't those involved with Epstein been arrested? There's no justice from those poor children

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Why haven't those involved with Epstein been arrested? There's no justice from those poor children

All high up in Society

The Clintons have agreed to talk

Bill Gates never went to the Island; he has stated


Mandy is a snake
appears not easy to arrest

[bots]

The government’s climbdown this afternoon has consequences.

Firstly it means that senior MPs and peers on the Intelligence and Security Committee will see the documents the government deems prejudicial to national security and international relations.

That committee can decide to publish reports, although the security services can request sensitive information is redacted.

More immediately there are consequences for the prime minister’s authority.

An amendment the government tabled has had to be changed because Labour MPs – including most notably Angela Rayner – made it clear they would not support it.

Sir Keir Starmer’s ability to control his own party was already weakened. Now some MPs are asking whether it is more permanently damaged.

[arista]

Yes, a fast U-Turn Vote
at around 7PM

[arista]

Nigel Farage MP
has contacted the EU Parliament
about Mandelson.


Sky News Live

[MTVN]

The Tories have Starmer on the ropes. This is why they are a proper political party and Reform are not

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Tories have Starmer on the ropes. This is why they are a proper political party and Reform are not

They have more members,
so of course

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Why haven't those involved with Epstein been arrested? There's no justice from those poor children

Statute of limitations?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Statute of limitations?

But it's still going on, I suspect. They must have friends in very high places.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Why haven't those involved with Epstein been arrested? There's no justice from those poor children

they don't have the proof of any wrong doing

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bots

they don't have the proof of any wrong doing

But Epstein himself has filmed eveything. It's all in those files. I think they're being protected.

[arista]

The Debate has finally concluded

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But Epstein himself has filmed eveything. It's all in those files. I think they're being protected.

no .... as someone said .... there is no law against attending a party. The fact we all know other things went on, is not proof that individuals were directly involved.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bots

no .... as someone said .... there is no law against attending a party. The fact we all know other things went on, is not proof that individuals were directly involved.

I hope they find the evidence, it has to be in those files.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But Epstein himself has filmed eveything. It's all in those files. I think they're being protected.

Just because someone hangs out with a criminal doesn't make one guilty of the same crime. They can't frame an entire trial from a slideshow of pictures as that would easily be dismantled by a defense lawyer. A judge would probably think it isn't enough for a jury during the early phase.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Maru

Just because someone hangs out with a criminal doesn't make one guilty of the same crime. They can't frame an entire trial from a slideshow of pictures as that would easily be dismantled by a defense lawyer. A judge would probably think it isn't enough for a jury during the early phase.

the other unfortunate reality is that the people involved can afford the best legal defence teams in the world. They were never going to jail