[The Slim Reaper]

I heard that there's also no way Muslims could have possibly known the party leader is a gay Jew.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You don't have to waste your time on it. Of course the green voters had to come from somewhere, that wasn't my point.

Without the greens being in the election, then the choice would have been reform, or reform lite. To pretend, or act oblivious to the fact that Starmer has gone from an avowed socialist to echoing Enoch Powel, is completely disingenuous.

It was leaked that the labour party would have preferred to lose to reform, because it gave them a mandate to continue on the same path. Labour spoke of shaking off the fleas when it came to the left, and now that hubris has guaranteed an even more authoritarian reform government to come.

Starmer is a despicable man, that has rolled out the red carpet for reform.

Yeah I do think it's true that Labour has spent so much time trying to appeal to the right that they lost sight of all the votes they could lose on the left. They thought they had won that battle already, and it did seem that they had tbh but Polanski does seem to have made a big impact. Where they go from here I don't know, it's a nightmare for their strategists. I know their main hope is that if the economy improves and cost of living eases then everything else becomes a marginal issue but I can't see that happening in the short-medium term

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Can I ask you a question in return?

How have you gone from being all about the environment, to peddling misinformation in this thread about Goodwin and Spence, and their links to the constituency?

Don't mean to be accusatory, just genuinely interested how voters could go from green to reform.

What actual misinformation have I peddled? I don't think anything I've said is actually inaccurate?

As for going from Green to Reform, I'm not either. I've never been Green for more than a couple of hours at a time, because
A) they're not actually green enough
B) I'm not on their same page as regards to things like foreign policy and borders.

By A) I mean they hardly ever talk about environmental issues, and when they do it's (imo) wrong focusing on renewables over nuclear isn't very green, because nuclear has less of a carbon footprint in the creation and storage of energy, takes up less physical space when for comparable amounts of energy created, and doesn't involve the destruction and mass importing of the rainforests, i.e. Drax.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah I do think it's true that Labour has spent so much time trying to appeal to the right that they lost sight of all the votes they could lose on the left. They thought they had won that battle already, and it did seem that they had tbh but Polanski does seem to have made a big impact. Where they go from here I don't know, it's a nightmare for their strategists. I know their main hope is that if the economy improves and cost of living eases then everything else becomes a marginal issue but I can't see that happening in the short-medium term

Labour haven't even tried to hide it, either. Starmer said "if you don't like it, there's the door," and folks are starting to step through en masse. He gambled on the fact that the left would have nowhere to go, and he got away with it for a while, but now there is a choice. I think the greens and YP will work together where possible, so they don't contest against each other in winnable seats.

Polanksi is a really good communicator, and he's tough (talking about not backing down, not pretend hard). If he wasn't jewish, then the headlines this morning would have been about anti Semitism, rather than family voting, so I guess this will be the new lie that accompanies the left.

The fact that the right are turning into the biggest bunch of babies, who never lose elections anymore, only have them stolen, is both hilarious, and a warning.

Trump is trying to take control of the elections in the US, and farage will do the same here if he gets the chance, and this is the start of the campaign to be able to do that. I think I've got a pretty good track record when it comes to predictions, and the attempts to pretend every election can't be trusted, will only ramp up from here.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What actual misinformation have I peddled? I don't think anything I've said is actually inaccurate?

As for going from Green to Reform, I'm not either. I've never been Green for more than a couple of hours at a time, because
A) they're not actually green enough
B) I'm not on their same page as regards to things like foreign policy and borders.

By A) I mean they hardly ever talk about environmental issues, and when they do it's (imo) wrong focusing on renewables over nuclear isn't very green, because nuclear has less of a carbon footprint in the creation and storage of energy, takes up less physical space when for comparable amounts of energy created, and doesn't involve the destruction and mass importing of the rainforests, i.e. Drax.

Thanks for the reply.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I find it amusing one of the Greens' attack lines is that Hannah Spencer is local and Matt Godwin isn't, while Godwin actually lived there and delivered pizza, while Spencer grew up and lives in the posh (for Manchester) part of the city, and flogs heat pumps.

Goodwin is on video speaking about his true feelings about Manchester, and he was only there for 5 minutes as a student. Hannah is a plumber, not a heat pump salesperson, and she is a former resident of that constituency. SHe is absolutely not posh

The reason I asked, was because that is pure GB news style misinformation.

I think you make a mistake when it comes to renewable versus nuclear. I know it's not popular to think of China as anything other than a threat to the way of life for everyone in the west, but if you look at what they are doing, and how they are advancing the tech, especially when it comes to the potential damage to the whole planet of nuclear, then I think you might be interested in seeing what is happening.

New technologies take time to improve, but we don't get those improvements without working on the tech, which China is definitely doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...estment-growth


They say the left is puritanical, and it definitely is, but you are even moreso

[bots]

If they can get a bit of growth in the country in the next couple of years, voters will have a completely different outlook. Also, war has never been more likely in the last 50 years and that can change everything

[arista]

PM Starmer,
also said the voters were Extreme Left?


Hannah spoke better than a Labour MP

[The Slim Reaper]

They may well get growth in the country, but it will be growth for capital, because that's who they serve. Without a complete 180, labour will not materially improve the living conditions for every day folks, and at least until farage wins the general, it's still every day folks that decide elections, albeit with the help of billionaire owned, right wing media, that dominates this island.

[arista]

[arista]

I would love some curry chips

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

On tonight's Any Questions Radio4
(2nd playing on Saturday PM)

Had old David Blunkett
He said he listened to Hannah's Speech on the Radio
and said that's what he said 20 years ago,

He thought she should be in Labour

[Cherie]

The Muslim vote concentrates on issues that affect their community they are not turkeys voting for Christmas...funny that Labour has been hoisted by its own petard

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think you make a mistake when it comes to renewable versus nuclear. I know it's not popular to think of China as anything other than a threat to the way of life for everyone in the west, but if you look at what they are doing, and how they are advancing the tech, especially when it comes to the potential damage to the whole planet of nuclear, then I think you might be interested in seeing what is happening.

New technologies take time to improve, but we don't get those improvements without working on the tech, which China is definitely doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...estment-growth

Hmm, I'm open to the idea that renewables could improve, but all that particular article proved was that it's a financially lucrative industry for China, and they and you can keep that capitalism

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They say the left is puritanical, and it definitely is, but you are even moreso

Thank you.

[bots]

if china continues to innovate in the green space and america does nothing, then america will be left behind. Trump may have removed all green targets, but it won't change what american manufacturers do if they want to export goods outside of america. The world moves on, and if you don't compete, you will be left behind

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mahmood: Migrant curbs must go ahead


Home Secretary will urge Labour not to shift to the Left despite Greens’ by-election win



Labour must push ahead with a crackdown on migration despite the Green
Party’s by-election victory, Shabana Mahmood will say next week.

The Home Secretary will use a major speech to warn that Labour’s future as
a political party is in jeopardy unless it introduces radical, Danish-style
reforms to restore public confidence in the “broken” asylum system.

She will argue that her migration plans are consistent with Labour values and
offer a “centrist” path to counter the “fairytale” of the Greens’ open borders
and the “nightmare” of Nigel Farage’s closed alternative.

Her reforms come amid demands from senior Labour figures, including
potential leadership contender Angela Rayner, to shift the party to the Left
after the Greens swept to victory in the formerly safe seat of Gorton and
Denton.

She said: “The levels of illegal migration are putting immense strain on our
country, and our public services – creating division within communities across
the country. Illegal migration is undermining the contract between
government and its citizens – eroding support for the asylum system entirely.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...e-green-surge/