[Tom]

They might have. They might not have.

By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?

[Dom:D]

I'm stumped

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.

By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?

There will be other evidence not just reports from them...look at any serial killers background. Paul Brittons a good read if your interested in Criminal Psychology, hes worked on a few high profile cases...and hes from Leicester like all the best people

[ange7]

"It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not."
lol ... then this
"Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems"

!!??!! your arguing against yourself... see how you contradicted yourself?...you went off into google... got an argument ... then went off into google then got another point but it was from some other place that contradicted your first ....
I'm with Netto's "You might change your opinion when you start it mate." ie your degree.

"something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology"
ie which you haven't started yet.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.

By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?

lol ... they have no moral nor ethical code but you assume that those studying them might gain their data based on the honour system. Mate they don't gather data in these studies by hoping the individual tells the truth. Why would you even assume that?

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

There will be other evidence not just reports from them...look at any serial killers background. Paul Brittons a good read if your interested in Criminal Psychology, hes worked on a few high profile cases...and hes from Leicester like all the best people

oops Leicester ...psychos trying to track netto down take note hehe

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
"It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not."
lol ... then this
"Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems"

!!??!! your arguing against yourself... see how you contradicted yourself?...you went off into google... got an argument ... then went off into google then got another point but it was from some other place that contradicted your first ....
I'm with Netto's "You might change your opinion when you start it mate." ie your degree.

"something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology"
ie which you haven't started yet.

Its stuff I know, I've learnt it all very in depth before

I'm not arguing against myself at all if you read the post properly and not selectively.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I was just going to add something along those lines heheh...this is based on rigorous collection of data by professional Psychologists

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ange7

oops Leicester ...psychos trying to track netto down take note hehe

Heheh...I've already let that one out the bag...I have since moved away from the city though to a secret location lol

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7

lol ... they have no moral nor ethical code but you assume that those studying them might gain their data based on the honour system. Mate they don't gather data in these studies by hoping the individual tells the truth. Why would you even assume that?

How else do you get an insight into the minds of people? I know there are loads of other tests they do on the person such as personality tests like EPI and PCL, interviews, observation, history etc but ultimately it all comes down to what they tell you, and if they tell themselves something enough whether its true or not, given their mental state how do you know they don't start to believe it?

Its quite obvious what you're doing here, just pointlessly adding nothing to the argument and supporting one who has more knowledge on it (which I won't deny if hes got a degree in it) in an attempt to try and make me come out looking worse. I'd rather debate it with someone who knows what they're on about than you who is clearly clueless on the whole subject.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom

Its stuff I know, I've learnt it all very in depth before

I'm not arguing against myself at all if you read the post properly and not selectively.

But point is noone is born a psychopath...they are a psychopath and that is their destiny no matter what. It is the experiences they have along with any abnormality of mind they may/maynot have that shapes them

[NettoSuperstar!]

oooh handbags lol...And Im not a man, how very dare you!

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

But point is noone is born a psychopath...they are a psychopath and that is their destiny no matter what. It is the experiences they have along with any abnormality of mind they may/maynot have that shapes them

I'm not saying its their destiny, I just think that some people might be born with a different brain structure to others which gives them psychopathic tendencies. It doesn't mean they will become a psychopath, but they are more likely to than others. A fair comparison to make is an EPI, which says that if you're a neurotic extrovert then you have criminal tendencies, but it doesn't mean you will become a criminal.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom

I'm not saying its their destiny, I just think that some people might be born with a different brain structure to others which gives them psychopathic tendencies. It doesn't mean they will become a psychopath, but they are more likely to than others. A fair comparison to make is an EPI, which says that if you're a neurotic extrovert then you have criminal tendencies, but it doesn't mean you will become a criminal.

yes...soooo made not born! I win

[Tom]

Actually ... draw, because I think you can be born with the mental structure to become a psychopath, some might, some might not

I think its a cross between nature and nurture which is what I've been trying to say all along but because of how it started it didn't come across that way

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom

How else do you get an insight into the minds of people? I know there are loads of other tests they do on the person such as personality tests like EPI and PCL, interviews, observation, history etc but ultimately it all comes down to what they tell you, and if they tell themselves something enough whether its true or not, given their mental state how do you know they don't start to believe it?

Its quite obvious what you're doing here, just pointlessly adding nothing to the argument and supporting one who has more knowledge on it (which I won't deny if hes got a degree in it) in an attempt to try and make me come out looking worse. I'd rather debate it with someone who knows what they're on about than you who is clearly clueless on the whole subject.

mahahaha even Ross owned you :P

[Shaun]

In principle, I'm against the whole "an eye for an eye" philosophy, and therefore against the death penalty. However, I think that I'd have a very different perspective should one of my friends/family be murdered.

That said, a few years ago my cousin was stabbed to death. Do I wish the perpetrator to be sentenced to death? No. I could never forgive him for what he did, but I feel there's absolutely nothing to gain from that sort of punishment.

As for serial killers and psychopaths - I was watching Loose Women recently and there was the debate over whether or not the Yorkshire Ripper (I forget his real name) should be released. Anyway, I believe it was Lesley Garrett (on the show, not the yorkshire ripper lmao) who I was agreeing with most: we should look to learn from these sorts of people to see if we can build upon our knowledge of them, possibly preventing other examples in the future.

The attitude taken by the other two, who were just the typical "The Sun" readers loudly shouting "KILL 'EM, THEY'RE *******ING MONSTERS!!!!" is just as abhorrent as the murderers themselves.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7

mahahaha even Ross owned you :P

1) Where?
2) What relevance does that have?
3) Ross was agreeing with what I was trying to say
4) That shows your level of maturity in debates

[andyman]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

Heheh...I've already let that one out the bag...I have since moved away from the city though to a secret location lol

Sydney?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Actually ... draw, because I think you can be born with the mental structure to become a psychopath, some might, some might not

I think its a cross between nature and nurture which is what I've been trying to say all along but because of how it started it didn't come across that way

Yes but mostly made!...The extent to which brain structure/genes make someone a psychopath is minor...and nice one Shauno good point mate!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by andyman

Sydney?

Haha not that far!

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom

1) Where?
2) What relevance does that have?
3) Ross was agreeing with what I was trying to say
4) That shows your level of maturity in debates

zzzz...as mature as your personal attacks eg
"you who is clearly clueless on the whole subject". awwww thou art own-ED

[ange7]

Originally posted by Shaun
In principle, I'm against the whole "an eye for an eye" philosophy, and therefore against the death penalty. However, I think that I'd have a very different perspective should one of my friends/family be murdered.

That said, a few years ago my cousin was stabbed to death. Do I wish the perpetrator to be sentenced to death? No. I could never forgive him for what he did, but I feel there's absolutely nothing to gain from that sort of punishment.

As for serial killers and psychopaths - I was watching Loose Women recently and there was the debate over whether or not the Yorkshire Ripper (I forget his real name) should be released. Anyway, I believe it was Lesley Garrett (on the show, not the yorkshire ripper lmao) who I was agreeing with most: we should look to learn from these sorts of people to see if we can build upon our knowledge of them, possibly preventing other examples in the future.

The attitude taken by the other two, who were just the typical "The Sun" readers loudly shouting "KILL 'EM, THEY'RE *******ING MONSTERS!!!!" is just as abhorrent as the murderers themselves.

I agree
yeah...nice work Shaun ....

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yes but mostly made!...The extent to which brain structure/genes make someone a psychopath is minor...and nice one Shauno good point mate!

Mostly made, so you admit it isn't 100% nurture?

[Ross]

I don't get why I was brought into it :S