[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by teabag.

i think all the stories about jesus and that is just a load of stories made up and then called the bible
i dont beliee in jesus

Did you come to that conclusion before or after you read the New testament?

[Dr.Gonzo]

I'm pretty sure Jesus to some extent existed. However, I am also sure he didn't have super powers.

[Stu]

So your argument for defending Christianity is the following :

F
A
I
L

???

Right. Just wanted to get that cleared up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

So your argument for defending Christianity is the following :

F
A
I
L

???

Right. Just wanted to get that cleared up.

rubbish come back

you still lose

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

rubbish come back

you still lose

Come back to what exactly? All you did was post 'FAIL'. What the **** else was I supposed to say? Is this a game of scrabble now?

Christ your dumb. At this point you just deserve insults. If your not offering up arguments, theres little else I can do honny.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He who can burn with enmity
can also burn with the love of God,
but he who is coldly hostile
will always find the way closed

[Dr.Gonzo]

He who has no fish, will always chew yond sausage.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He who can burn with enmity
can also burn with the love of God,
but he who is coldly hostile
will always find the way closed

You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink it.

Your go.

[Vicky.]

LT, you are either on a windup mission or have total blind faith.

Surely if you believe in these fairy stories the least you can do it try to think up a mature, adult reply, instead of writing FAIL to a well thought out post.

And I believe there was a man named Jesus...but he was just a good man, nothing more.

[Sticks]

LeatherTrumpet as someone from the same side of the tracks as you, so to speak I was wondering what you are trying to achieve in starting this thread. The outcome was prefictable. It is one thing responding to attacks from that earlier thread that was started with that diagram, but you courted the response you got.

all that happened is a slanging match and some of the things you said did not help matters or the cause.

There is a way of conducting apologetics which takes time to learn. Remember we are told to give a defence for the hope that lies with in us, it does not say go on the attack. If someone challenges us, then we answer them. Pushing it down thir throats does not work. Winning arguments does not equate to winning souls. Remember it's not hard sell but soft sell that achieves most. More flies are caught with honey than vinegar.

As for the question, yes some people do deny that Jesus exist. Even if you take Josephus out of the equation that still leaves us with the writings of Tacitus, Pliny and Polycarp to name a few. You also forgot to mention the Talmud which registered Jesus existance and mentioned miracles, but attributed them to demonic powers.

Historical evidence does point to the historicity of Jesus of Nazereth, what people make of him, then becomes another issue.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Surely if you believe in these fairy stories the least you can do it try to think up a mature, adult reply, instead of writing FAIL to a well thought out post.

To be fair it was ProbeEight who said FAIL, LeatherTrumpet merely quoted it.

I have other thoughts on this matter which I am to put elsewhere.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

F
A
I
L

For sticks...

In reply to a rather large post by Probe eight...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

For sticks...

In reply to a rather large post by Probe eight...

Yes but VickyJ

"Surely if you believe in these fairy stories..."

now that is hardly pushing on the debate, it is merely debasing it based on your own predujice. And in that token you do something that sounds like Pail?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Sticks

LeatherTrumpet as someone from the same side of the tracks as you, so to speak I was wondering what you are trying to achieve in starting this thread. The outcome was prefictable. It is one thing responding to attacks from that earlier thread that was started with that diagram, but you courted the response you got.

all that happened is a slanging match and some of the things you said did not help matters or the cause.

There is a way of conducting apologetics which takes time to learn. Remember we are told to give a defence for the hope that lies with in us, it does not say go on the attack. If someone challenges us, then we answer them. Pushing it down thir throats does not work. Winning arguments does not equate to winning souls. Remember it's not hard sell but soft sell that achieves most. More flies are caught with honey than vinegar.

As for the question, yes some people do deny that Jesus exist. Even if you take Josephus out of the equation that still leaves us with the writings of Tacitus, Pliny and Polycarp to name a few. You also forgot to mention the Talmud which registered Jesus existance and mentioned miracles, but attributed them to demonic powers.

Historical evidence does point to the historicity of Jesus of Nazereth, what people make of him, then becomes another issue.

and of course you are correct but there really can be no debate here due to the age and lack of religious knowledge of the posters. It is akin to debating football tactics at the Women's Guild.

Sometimes it is good to remind people that an alternative view to their own is around. But yes you are right.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes but VickyJ

"Surely if you believe in these fairy stories..."

now that is hardly pushing on the debate, it is merely debasing it based on your own predujice. And in that token you do something that sounds like Pail?

Nah, I have debated about the same thing countless times, only to have christians views forced down my throat, and all posts questioning anything ignored. So I wont bother, just thought I'd comment on your rather humourous way of attempting adult debate. Thats all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Nah, I have debated about the same thing countless times, only to have christians views forced down my throat, and all posts questioning anything ignored. So I wont bother, just thought I'd comment on your rather humourous way of attempting adult debate. Thats all.

nice wriggle.



(have a look at Probe8 and his posts and see why conventional adult debate would not be suited in reply)

[Novo]

Youtube video

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

nice wriggle.



(have a look at Probe8 and his posts and see why conventional adult debate would not be suited in reply)

No wriggle, Check out the other threads on christianity for my views.

And ProbeEight has asked some interesting questions, which have been avoided....so again, seems its going to be the same.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

No wriggle, Check out the other threads on christianity for my views.

And ProbeEight has asked some interesting questions, which have been avoided....so again, seems its going to be the same.

Probe8 cut and pasted some standard "conspiracy theory" questions from an unattributed anti-Christian site that have been answered ad nauseum throughout history.

they were not avoided I told him to use the same means he used to generate them to answer them, ie google.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

For sticks...

In reply to a rather large post by Probe eight...

Ok

I was not looking far back enough, ProbeEight did the same thing a few posts later and LeatherTrumpet quoted him.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Probe8 cut and pasted some standard "conspiracy theory" questions from an unattributed anti-Christian site that have been answered ad nauseum throughout history.

they were not avoided I told him to use the same means he used to generate them to answer them, ie google.

I love how you say conspiracy theories as if christianity and such are fact, or something that shouldnt be questioned

And of course they havent been answered. In fact whenever I see a question like any of them, the same answer is given...'history...blah blah...check history...already answered...' Strange how noone can think up any answers TODAY isnt it? Or ever find these places where the answers are?

[Novo]

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by VickyJ

I love how you say conspiracy theories as if christianity and such are fact, or something that shouldnt be questioned

And of course they havent been answered. In fact whenever I see a question like any of them, the same answer is given...'history...blah blah...check history...already answered...' Strange how noone can think up any answers TODAY isnt it? Or ever find these places where the answers are?

is because the questions relate to the Bible and History?

if there was a question about Christianity today then it would relate to today but inevitably they all are

"well who recorded Jesus when he said the Lords prayer" or "does incest not get promoted by Lot and his daughters" or "why does the OT say kill children and not eat shellfish" bla bla bla

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and of course you are correct but there really can be no debate here due to the age and lack of religious knowledge of the posters. It is akin to debating football tactics at the Women's Guild.

Comments like that only inflame and do not add anything to debate. That way you come across as aggressive and arrogant. People see right through to that and you completely undermine anything you may add.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sometimes it is good to remind people that an alternative view to their own is around. But yes you are right.

I do remind people there are alternative viewpoints, but I would hpe I did it in a more gentle manner.

LeatherTrumpet, if you want to engage in apologetics, you really need to learn how to do it, not just the facts we need to refute arguments. If you end up casting aspersions on people like you did in this post, you will be seen to have lost the argument.

Again what are you hoping to achieve?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

is because the questions relate to the Bible and History?

if there was a question about Christianity today then it would relate to today but inevitably they all are

"well who recorded Jesus when he said the Lords prayer" or "does incest not get promoted by Lot and his daughters" or "why does the OT say kill children and not eat shellfish" bla bla bla

Ok then.

Il ask one question.

Dinosaurs...why is there no mention of them in the bible, when we KNOW they existed?