[bronaaaa]

Yep. Fighting for peace is ******ing for virginity..imo anyway

[arista]

"Army wants to retreat in Afghanistan"


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6907939.ece

[andyman]

They will stay and see the job through.. For the future of FREEEEEDOM!

[arista]

Fact.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by arista

Fact.

PMSL @ Patrick Cockburn's surname. How unfortunate!!

[AfroMullet]

Leave now?

We shouldnt have gone in the first place.

[arista]

Originally Posted by andyman

They will stay and see the job through.. For the future of FREEEEEDOM!

But the Person in Charge of that Nation is Corrupt.
It will never work.


Sadly today on Remembrance Day
yet another UK Troop has been Killed.


The Only way it to get out
and let it go its own way,
if there are any attacks on UK and USA from there
then we can return.


Also most of
9/11 Killers were from Saudi Arabia.


You andyman have much to learn.

[Prole]

We can't "win" in Afghsnistan. We've had are arses whooped there before, and we're not the only ones. What makes anyone think it will be different this time? "Those who cannot learn from the past are condemned to repeat it".

[andyman]

Originally Posted by arista

But the Person in Charge of that Nation is Corrupt.
It will never work.


Sadly today on Remembrance Day
yet another UK Troop has been Killed.


The Only way it to get out
and let it go its own way,
if there are any attacks on UK and USA from there
then we can return.


Also most of
9/11 Killers were from Saudi Arabia.


You andyman have much to learn.

.. What would pulling out all the troops achieve in this time?

[arista]

Its better to save our Troops lives
that is the bottom line.

[Prole]

Our troops join the army knowing they will probably be deployed to a war zone. We've been in loads of actions since WW2 - Malaysia, Borneo, Northern Ireland, Palestine, the Falkland Islands... Our troops know what they're going into and they are some of the best trained soldiers in the world, despite their equipment being second rate (thanks Gordon Brown). The difference between Afghanistan and other military actions is, we have no chance of winning this. It is a futile war.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Prole

Our troops join the army knowing they will probably be deployed to a war zone. We've been in loads of actions since WW2 - Malaysia, Borneo, Northern Ireland, Palestine, the Falkland Islands... Our troops know what they're going into and they are some of the best trained soldiers in the world, despite their equipment being second rate (thanks Gordon Brown). The difference between Afghanistan and other military actions is, we have no chance of winning this. It is a futile war.

Knowing and understanding are not quite the same thing! Bearing in mind a lot of young soldiers join up at the tender age of 18 - they don't fully understand the implications of what they are doing - even if they think they do at the time. It is too young. The age limit should be raised.

If people didn't join voluntarily - and there was a severe shortage - the government would soon start conscripting - and anyone could be affected - so a debt of gratitude is owed to our troops in more ways than one.

Afghanistan is a pointless war in lots of ways - not least because the majority of Afghan people seem to resent our troops being there - and lack any appreciation for their sacrifice. We are wasting our time - and more importantly - our brave young men and women!

[Prole]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Knowing and understanding are not quite the same thing! etc. etc. etc...

I agree with a lot of your points, but I really strongly disagree that young people join without knowing the full implications. There's a very strong military background in my family (including a recruiting sergeant!). Every applicant is vetted, given the all facts and are in no doubt what it means to be a British soldier. They only take intelligent young people in the army, and I'm sure none of them are at all hazy about what could happen.

Also, if the age for joining the army is too young because they do not know their own mind, then the age for marriage, drinking alcohol and voting should also perhaps be raised. At eighteen you're either an adult or you're a child. The law has decided you are an adult.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Prole

I agree with a lot of your points, but I really strongly disagree that young people join without knowing the full implications. There's a very strong military background in my family (including a recruiting sergeant!). Every applicant is vetted, given the all facts and are in no doubt what it means to be a British soldier. They only take intelligent young people in the army, and I'm sure none of them are at all hazy about what could happen.

Also, if the age for joining the army is too young because they do not know their own mind, then the age for marriage, drinking alcohol and voting should also perhaps be raised. At eighteen you're either an adult or you're a child. The law has decided you are an adult.

In theory - practice is something else! You don't risk your life marrying, voting or drinking - as a rule! Not the same!

[Prole]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

In theory - practice is something else! You don't risk your life marrying, voting or drinking - as a rule! Not the same!

Are you saying then, than eighteen year olds are still children? That they are not intelligent enough to choose a career? To choose a university course? There has to come a point where people start to take responsibility for their own lives, and the law had decided that age is 18. Actually, you can join the army younger if you have your parents' permission, and a lot of parents' give their permission, presumably because they think their child has made an intelligent and informed decision about their future.

Anyway... just my ooinion. Interesting to hear your own take on it.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Prole

Are you saying then, than eighteen year olds are still children? That they are not intelligent enough to choose a career? To choose a university course? There has to come a point where people start to take responsibility for their own lives, and the law had decided that age is 18. Actually, you can join the army younger if you have your parents' permission, and a lot of parents' give their permission, presumably because they think their child has made an intelligent and informed decision about their future.

Anyway... just my ooinion. Interesting to hear your own take on it.

Most people past the age of say 25 - look back at things they did and said - and decisions they made at around 18 - and cringe! People are different - same more mature than others - but as a general rule - most 18 year olds will change their views on a lot of things when they are older - and have some regrets.

Thing is with a decision like joining the army - people might not get the chance to have any regrets. That is the reality of it!

[andyman]

Don't need troops to win a war, CIA operations have been the tactics of the past.

We can pull the troops out but it will become a living hell for the normal people that will be swept under by the Taliban.. A playground of terror.

[arista]

With the Troops Invading now
it is Going Wrong.

We have stayed to long and Failed.

Get Out now.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Prole

Our troops join the army knowing they will probably be deployed to a war zone. We've been in loads of actions since WW2 - Malaysia, Borneo, Northern Ireland, Palestine, the Falkland Islands... Our troops know what they're going into and they are some of the best trained soldiers in the world, despite their equipment being second rate (thanks Gordon Brown). The difference between Afghanistan and other military actions is, we have no chance of winning this. It is a futile war.

Yes we can never Win
Time to Leave.

[andyman]

"Time to leave"

Think about it, it would do more harm than any good for the area.

[andyman]

Winning this war will take more than troops, right now is not the right time to pull out.

[arista]

Originally Posted by andyman

"Time to leave"

Think about it, it would do more harm than any good for the area.

We do not know that for sure
but in general our Troops are Invading
that must stop.


http://greenmpforvauxhall.blogspot.c...ps-out-of.html

[andyman]

Remove the troops and let the Taliban run wild with the helf from Iran, which also fund other groups in the middle east.

We must focus on the big picture, pulling out now would put the whole middle eastern area in more danger..

[arista]

"We"

Bollocks
we in England are not part of America or even a former Crazy Warmonger GW.Bush Vision

We want our Troops home and Alive.


Andyman - the Neo Conservative

[andyman]

Too late to pull out, we need to fix the problem so the normal people can have a future without the Taliban..

If we just drop and run that will give the green light for the Taliban and other groups to run wild in their playground of terror..

Drug production will rise to new record levels which end up on our streets funding more terror groups!

The vast land would become one huge criminal paradise..

One other option is to fund another group to fight the Taliban, but that can backfire.. We supported the Taliban to fight the Soviets many years ago..

The real problem is Iran, pumping weapons into Afghanistan (east of Iran) and pumping weapons into Iraq. (west of Iran)

Plus their indirect attacks against Israel.. (funding of two terror groups)

We pull out would only fall into the Taliban hands with the backing of Iran..