[Stu]

Originally Posted by happyland

It's not hypocritical.. Surely you can understand why a straight man doesn't find gay men attractive? It is natural for a straight man to find two women sexually appealling , the same as it is natural for a gay man to find men attractive.

Yes it is. We are not talking about attraction here. We are talking about the fact that they see nothing wrong with two females doing it but do with two males. Take attraction out of it.

Also, to Fom's point, yes, being gay was romanticized in plenty of ancient cultures.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes it is. We are not talking about attraction here. We are talking about the fact that they see nothing wrong with two females doing it but do with two males. Take attraction out of it.

Also, to Fom's point, yes, being gay was romanticized in plenty of ancient cultures.

I think you're generalising straight males slightly... Not all males think of men together as morally wrong, but because they are straight, the though of men together is not appealing.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by happyland

I think you're generalising straight males slightly... Not all males think of men together as morally wrong, but because they are straight, the though of men together is not appealing.

Yes, in the attraction sense. Obviously a straight male is not going to be sexually attracted to a male on male scene in a seedy DVD. I don't think that needed to be pointed out to anybody, somehow.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes, in the attraction sense. Obviously a straight male is not going to be sexually attracted to a male on male scene in a seedy DVD. I don't think that needed to be pointed out to anybody, somehow.

What other sense are you talking about?? Attraction is the basis of all relationships/sex whethe in a gay or straight relationship! I really don't get the point you're trying to make.

"Obviously a straight male is not going to be sexually attracted to a male on male scene in a seedy DVD"?? I didn't point this out, you did, and no you're right it didn't need pointed out.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by happyland

What other sense are you talking about??

The moral sense. I was mentioning that some straight men see nothing wrong or don't judge lesbians because they find it attractive, but do judge and do hold prejudice towards males for doing the exact same thing.

It's simple, really.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Stu

The moral sense. I was mentioning that some straight men see nothing wrong or don't judge lesbians because they find it attractive, but do judge and do hold prejudice towards males for doing the exact same thing.

It's simple, really.

Yep, I was with you all the way there buddy. People generally respond in disgust more often to the idea of two men showing affection than they do at the thought of two women getting it on.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by setanta

Yep, I was with you all the way there buddy. People generally respond in disgust more often to the idea of two men showing affection than they do at the thought of two women getting it on.

I'm going to have to put this quite bluntly; For a straight man, watching two women together = hard dick. Watching two men together = soft!

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Stu

The moral sense. I was mentioning that some straight men see nothing wrong or don't judge lesbians because they find it attractive, but do judge and do hold prejudice towards males for doing the exact same thing.

It's simple, really.

As far as judging, I dont agree! I think male that judge lesbians, for their sexuality, judge Homosexuals, the same. Of course they are still more enclined to the gay female, visually! But like someone else said, thats just because they see the really attractive female lesbians on videos. If they were judging by whats real (me included), they would definitely feel diferently.

but they would still look down on both, in everyday life situations. Without them doing it!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

As far as judging, I dont agree! I think male that judge lesbians, for their sexuality, judge Homosexuals, the same. Of course they are still more enlined to the gay female, visually! But like someone else said, thats just because they see the really attractive female lesbians on videos. If they were judging by whats real (me included), they would definitely feel diferrently.

That's a sweeping statement. You cant just speak for everyone like that. Certain males bear no grudges against lesbians but do with gay males.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

As far as judging, I dont agree! I think male that judge lesbians, for their sexuality, judge Homosexuals, the same. Of course they are still more enclined to the gay female, visually! But like someone else said, thats just because they see the really attractive female lesbians on videos. If they were judging by whats real (me included), they would definitely feel diferently.

but they would still look down on both, in everyday life situations. Without them doing it!

Two butch lesbians in dungarees and Doc Martins in real life are slightly different to hot models in porn

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Stu

The moral sense. I was mentioning that some straight men see nothing wrong or don't judge lesbians because they find it attractive, but do judge and do hold prejudice towards males for doing the exact same thing.

It's simple, really.

Yes, I'll agree with that.. Some straight men probably do, however not all of them. You seem to think that every straight man has a problem with gay men, but that's just not the case. Yes, some men hate/fear/are disgusted by gay men, others understand, but don't want it rubbed in their face and others are completely comfortable with the whole thing. What do you want? Do you want every straight male to announce their love for gay men? I can tell you that will never happen. In an ideal world everybody would live in peace in harmony and everybody would love everybody, but this isn't an ideal world I'm afraid and there are always going to be people with silly prejudicies! Some people will always have something against gays, blacks, muslims, fat people, Scottish people, English people, Germans, old people, ginger people... the list is endless. As I said before, people just need to get on with things, enjoy life and not give a toss what other people think of them!

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by happyland

Yes, I'll agree with that.. Some straight men probably do, however not all of them. You seem to think that every straight man has a problem with gay men, but that's just not the case. Yes, some men hate/fear/are disgusted by gay men, others understand, but don't want it rubbed in their face and others are completely comfortable with the whole thing. What do you want? Do you want every straight male to announce their love for gay men? I can tell you that will never happen. In an ideal world everybody would live in peace in harmony and everybody would love everybody, but this isn't an ideal world I'm afraid and there are always going to be people with silly prejudicies! Some people will always have something against gays, blacks, muslims, fat people, Scottish people, English people, Germans, old people, ginger people... the list is endless. As I said before, people just need to get on with things, enjoy life and not give a toss what other people think of them!

I really agree with this whole post!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by happyland

You seem to think that every straight man has a problem with gay men

Sorry dear but ... what exactly are you arguing? Quote me where I said that, please. And don't give me some poor ''that's the impression I get'' reply because that's certainly not the impression I am giving if you learn to read my posts properly. I always say some men. Some. Some. Some. Some. Hammer it in there.

Originally Posted by happyland

I'm going to have to put this quite bluntly; For a straight man, watching two women together = hard dick. Watching two men together = soft!

I am sure Setanta is aware of that, somehow. Again like me he is talking about moral acceptability, not attractiveness. Learn to read.

As I said before, people just need to get on with things, enjoy life and not give a toss what other people think of them!

They can still be proud of it and fight for there cause. Whats your problem with that? People fight for causes to make things better. It happens. Do you think blacks, gay's and women would have the rights they do now if nobody questioned anything and nobody fighted?

Christ almighty.