[Crimson Dynamo]

I must say I felt a feeling of justice done when i heard this today. How do you feel about it instinctively?

[arista]

Correct for America.
That is there way.

[Prole]

How do the families of the people he murdered feel? That's surely the question. I imagine they won't be shedding many tears. Not exactly a great loss to humanity, is it.

[30stone]

Do people believe he was mentally ill or not then?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by 30stone

Do people believe he was mentally ill or not then?

I dont know what legally they decided, I guess if they killed him he must have been of sound mind.

[30stone]

People often kill when they are mentally ill.

They decided he wasn't i believe hence why he was punished like this.

But apparently had gulf war syndrome as he was in that, and was believed to had symptoms of schizophrenia.

That said, he still killed 10 people along with the boy who was 17 at the time, who got a life sentance.

[Stu]

Anybody who kills like that is mentally ill. I don't care if you are not classified as mentally ill, or what the doctors say, you clearly are mentally fucked by most rational standards if you done what he done.

As for his death? Couldn't care less. Don't have much of an opinion on Capital Punishment. Personally though I am veering towards thinking life imprisonment is just as much suffering. Capital Punishment is essentially a media circus, lets face it. I know what he did was wrong and the victims family's are in distress but do the networks give a ****? Hell no. It's good old fashioned American entertainment to them.

Let's not give it to them, I say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9e6_1257918131

[\PJ/]

He looks crazed TBH although they always do.

[Niamh.]

I feel nothing

[Prole]

Originally Posted by Stu

Anybody who kills like that is mentally ill. I don't care if you are not classified as mentally ill, or what the doctors say, you clearly are mentally fucked by most rational standards if you done what he done.

As for his death? Couldn't care less. Don't have much of an opinion on Capital Punishment. Personally though I am veering towards thinking life imprisonment is just as much suffering. Capital Punishment is essentially a media circus, lets face it. I know what he did was wrong and the victims family's are in distress but do the networks give a ****? Hell no. It's good old fashioned American entertainment to them.

Let's not give it to them, I say.

He killed ten people and so in my opinion forfeited his right to life. If someone I loved had been killed by him I'd certainbly want him either dead, or out where I could get to him.

I'm not sure there are that many American that would agree that this kind of thing is "entertaining", but that it does give victims a sense of justice that they just don't get in this country. Over here, the welfare of the victim comes last after the welfare of the criminal has been taken into account. I think that the majority of people in the UK would back the death penalty, having had decades of bleeing hearts and lefties weeping salt tears for murderers, rapists, paedophiles etc. etc... Life imprisonment in the UK these days usually means a single cell, internet access, 32" flatscreen telly, PS3 and XBox 360...

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Prole

He killed ten people and so in my opinion forfeited his right to life. If someone I loved had been killed by him I'd certainbly want him either dead, or out where I could get to him.

I'm not sure there are that many American that would agree that this kind of thing is "entertaining", but that it does give victims a sense of justice that they just don't get in this country. Over here, the welfare of the victim comes last after the welfare of the criminal has been taken into account. I think that the majority of people in the UK would back the death penalty, having had decades of bleeing hearts and lefties weeping salt tears for murderers, rapists, paedophiles etc. etc... Life imprisonment in the UK these days usually means a single cell, internet access, 32" flatscreen telly, PS3 and XBox 360...

Don't be silly. Of course they don't find it entertaining in the sense that, oh say, The Simpson's might be entertaining, but we are drawn to the news when things like this happens. And those news stations know it. They thrive on things like this. It all depends on personal opinion, really. If I were a victim I would rather he rot in prison for the rest of his life. I can assure you American prisons are less on the Xbox 360's and more on the beatings and arse rapes. Especially where he would have been going. It's really not as black and white as you make it out.

But what would I know, I'm a crazy lefty .

[setanta]

I've read it before somewhere - can't remember exactly where - but it goes something like the value of a society can be measured in how it chooses to treat it's poor, weak, damaged or unconnected.

It's not an exact quote because I think there's many variations on it and I'm probably paraphrasing but, in any case, I think it's a very useful statement to remember when you're dealing with situations like this.

[Prole]

Originally Posted by Stu

Don't be silly. Of course they don't find it entertaining in the sense that, oh say, The Simpson's might be entertaining, but we are drawn to the news when things like this happens. And those news stations know it. They thrive on things like this. It all depends on personal opinion, really. If I were a victim I would rather he rot in prison for the rest of his life. I can assure you American prisons are less on the Xbox 360's and more on the beatings and arse rapes. Especially where he would have been going. It's really not as black and white as you make it out.

But what would I know, I'm a crazy lefty .

Ahhh I seel You didn't mean that they found it "entertaining". I apologise. I thought the clue was in... THE WORDS.

Stu, nice to debate with you and all that, but I'd be obliged if you don't call me silly for having a different opinion, it makes you seem immature and I'm sure you're not really. I don't have people call me silly in real life, and I would be grateful if you didn't do it on here. I will treat you with a little respect and I expect the same.

Nothing in this world is black and white and I would be the last one to suggest it. I feel I know a little more about the judicial system in the USA than you give me credit for. There's really no need to be so aggressive.

And for the record, I never called you a leftie, but if the shoe fits, please feel free to slip it on.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Prole

Ahhh I seel You didn't mean that they found it "entertaining". I apologise. I thought the clue was in... THE WORDS.

Sorry, I thought the clue was in THE CONTEXT. Did my post really give you images of the wife and kids with daddy sitting down to watch the bold men get a needle in his veins, popcorn and all?

Originally Posted by Prole

Stu, nice to debate with you and all that, but I'd be obliged if you don't call me silly for having a different opinion

I did not call you silly for your opinions. I called you silly for the rather silly way you went about generalizing, exaggerations and all. I am sure you could have expressed your opinions in a better way.

Originally Posted by Prole

Nothing in this world is black and white and I would be the last one to suggest it. I feel I know a little more about the judicial system in the USA than you give me credit for. There's really no need to be so aggressive.

Who is getting aggressive? The word 'silly'? Seriously man. This is a forum. Treat it like so and chill the fuck out. I simply do not believe in Capital Punishment and did not appreciate the tar brush of us all being compassionate towards killers.

Different opinions, that's all. There's really no need to get all prom and proper about this unless this is indeed a court of law.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Anybody who kills like that is mentally ill. I don't care if you are not classified as mentally ill, or what the doctors say, you clearly are mentally fucked by most rational standards if you done what he done.

As for his death? Couldn't care less. Don't have much of an opinion on Capital Punishment. Personally though I am veering towards thinking life imprisonment is just as much suffering. Capital Punishment is essentially a media circus, lets face it. I know what he did was wrong and the victims family's are in distress but do the networks give a ****? Hell no. It's good old fashioned American entertainment to them.

Let's not give it to them, I say.

That may be true - but need to consider whether tax payers should have to fork out hundereds of thousands of pounds, over the years, to keep him in prison. Do it for one - got to do it for all. Money could be better spent. He did what he did - has to pay the price. In cases of mass murder - capital punishment should apply.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That may be true - but need to consider whether tax payers should have to fork out hundereds of thousands of pounds, over the years, to keep him in prison. Do it for one - got to do it for all. Money could be better spent. He did what he did - has to pay the price. In cases of mass murder - capital punishment should apply.

How many mass murderers do we have a year compared to the total prison populace? You could say the same thing about locking people up for popping Ecstasy pills and dancing like a nutter. Locking non violent offenders up is costing Americans dearly.

Besides, I am no expert, but I suspect lethal injection is quiet a costly procedure.

[Prole]

Originally Posted by Stu

Sorry, I thought the clue was in THE CONTEXT. Did my post really give you images of the wife and kids with daddy sitting down to watch the bold men get a needle in his veins, popcorn and all?


I did not call you silly for your opinions. I called you silly for the rather silly way you went about generalizing, exaggerations and all. I am sure you could have expressed your opinions in a better way.


Who is getting aggressive? The word 'silly'? Seriously man. This is a forum. Treat it like so and chill the fuck out. I simply do not believe in Capital Punishment and did not appreciate the tar brush of us all being compassionate towards killers.

Different opinions, that's all. There's really no need to get all prom and proper about this unless this is indeed a court of law.

Stu, you've done a fair bit of generalising yourself but I think you're far from silly. Having someone start their post to you with "don't be silly..." is a bit provocative and I reacted because I don't know you And I am totally chilled the phuq out, I can assure ya.

Context is fine, but you have to admit it's not something that is usually used too deeply on this forum, so I suppose I didn't realise you were being "subtle" and for that I apologise.

Just because you do not believe in capital punishment I did not imply that you were one of the touchy-feelie lefties I hate so much, you assumed that, the way I assumed you were calling me silly.

This is clearly not a court of law, or most people would be referred to as "the defendant". That was humour :-)

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Prole

Stu, you've done a fair bit of generalising yourself but I think you're far from silly. Having someone start their post to you with "don't be silly..." is a bit provocative and I reacted because I don't know you And I am totally chilled the phuq out, I can assure ya.

Context is fine, but you have to admit it's not something that is usually used too deeply on this forum, so I suppose I didn't realise you were being "subtle" and for that I apologise.

Just because you do not believe in capital punishment I did not imply that you were one of the touchy-feelie lefties I hate so much, you assumed that, the way I assumed you were calling me silly.

This is clearly not a court of law, or most people would be referred to as "the defendant". That was humour :-)

I could not care less if you started your post with the line ''Don't be silly...'' because I know it's not the end of the world. It really ... is not that big a deal. I would never have called you up on it and I never would have bothered to really mention it. It's just ... nothing, really.

Can't really see much generalization at all in my posts, considering I was the one who made the point initially that it is not black and white and Capital Punishment is down to personal opinion.

I certainly did not generalize to the level of the whole salt tears for paedophiles shtick which in fairness is a bit ludicrous and unfair, even to those kerazy lefties you hate so much.

As for being provocative, this defendant is guilty as charged.

[Fom]

He would not of been executed had he been mentally ill, he was just a sick person...

[Dr.Gonzo]

I feel good today thanks.

[InOne]

I think capital punishment is wrong. Does not solve anything and costs loads. I think it would be better to study people like this, and yes people who commit these acts are clearly mentally ill. People are always quick to judge, but that is why you need to go in their past. If we find out the roots of these problems then maybe we can look for the signs early on, and try help the children then. Some people obviously can never be let out, and probably can't be helped, but I think it's better to get whatever information we can to help other people, rathen than killing them and getting a quick fix.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

I think capital punishment is wrong. Does not solve anything and costs loads. I think it would be better to study people like this, and yes people who commit these acts are clearly mentally ill. People are always quick to judge, but that is why you need to go in their past. If we find out the roots of these problems then maybe we can look for the signs early on, and try help the children then. Some people obviously can never be let out, and probably can't be helped, but I think it's better to get whatever information we can to help other people, rathen than killing them and getting a quick fix.

its not solving it is revenge and justice

[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its not solving it is revenge and justice

Revenge makes you as bad as him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

Revenge makes you as bad as him.

If it is the democratic wish of the nation, not so.