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Jords · 17-11-2009, 11:42 PM

And with war there is?

Scarlett. · 17-11-2009, 11:43 PM

Yep, without war there would be chaos, it is a neccesary evil, the world cannot be perfect, humans cannot live in peace

Jords · 17-11-2009, 11:45 PM

Of course there is no peace with war, people being killed, their families left in pieces over it, that is not peace at all.

I agree with you that their will always been confliction, but war is not the answer imo.

Scarlett. · 17-11-2009, 11:47 PM

There are places in the world with peace with war, war is more organised

SiaSiaSia · 17-11-2009, 11:49 PM

if we leave, the taliban may be a huge threat, but a war against afghanistan is basically unwinnable as russia found in the early 1970s

andyman · 17-11-2009, 11:52 PM

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No invasions - No war - No army, would make the world so much better.

That would be good, but we would have to be of one mind for this utopia of peace on earth... Will never happen.

Jords · 17-11-2009, 11:53 PM

It may be organised, but there is always a better way, not sure what that is right now mind you. A game of scrabble maybe? Nahh, killing isnt the answer though, but thats just my opinion. I do understand where ya coming from sort of, but not about it causing peace.

Jords · 17-11-2009, 11:57 PM

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That would be good, but we would have to be of one mind for this utopia of peace on earth... Will never happen.

Yepp, just wishful thinking hey!

I had an army careers day at school not too long ago,
I 'scived' that day, Ive got not intrest in it what so ever, and
I definately wouldnt want to be part of it, almost encouraging war.

However I do know we need people to join the army cause we cant just say look 'no more war ever', so I do respect the army, for protecting the country and for the ones who are killed, I just dont want to be part of it and i dont think its a good idea.

andyman · 17-11-2009, 11:59 PM

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if we leave, the taliban may be a huge threat, but a war against afghanistan is basically unwinnable as russia found in the early 1970s

We are flushing out the many pockets of the Taliban, but the main goal is to keep the peace within the towns, as of now troops must stay to reach these goals... Its ugly and it will take time but it must be done.

andyman · 18-11-2009, 12:05 AM

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Yepp, just wishful thinking hey!

I had an army careers day at school not too long ago,
I 'scived' that day, Ive got not intrest in it what so ever, and
I definately wouldnt want to be part of it, almost encouraging war.

However I do know we need people to join the army cause we cant just say look 'no more war ever', so I do respect the army, for protecting the country and for the ones who are killed, I just dont want to be part of it and i dont think its a good idea.

The troops are only the first stage, rebuilding that area will take more than troops but they must be there to stop the Taliban and let the rebuilding continue, the people there must have hope for them to build a better future..

Plus a strong Taliban would spill out into Pakistan with indirect support from Iran.

InOne · 18-11-2009, 12:11 AM

We are trianing Afghan forces to deal with it. We are helping their forces too, only so much we can help them. England is in a state as it is.

Scarlett. · 18-11-2009, 12:16 AM

and training their police, who decide to pay us back with bullets in the back <_<

InOne · 18-11-2009, 12:17 AM

Yep, we don't get any respect. What the hell has Britain become? Let's not get into that haha

Jords · 18-11-2009, 12:19 AM

Yeah lets not, Ive only been living for 15 years, but I can see the changes within that gap!

andyman · 18-11-2009, 12:22 AM

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We are trianing Afghan forces to deal with it. We are helping their forces too, only so much we can help them. England is in a state as it is.

Still to early to leave, it will happen but not soon.

Years ago the CIA would have opened up a new drugs trade route to fund a group to fight the Taliban, but that is so 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s...

The British did this in China many years ago, the Opium wars are part of our dirty past..

InOne · 18-11-2009, 12:27 AM

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Still to early to leave, it will happen but not soon.

Years ago the CIA would have opened up a new drugs trade route to fund a group to fight the Taliban, but that is so 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s...

The British did this in China many years ago, the Opium wars are part of our dirty past..

Also it is a sad fact the CIA funded the Taliban. And yes Opium has always been a problem, Britain seems to want it from wherever. All stems from the 1900's opium houses.

andyman · 18-11-2009, 12:38 AM

From 1810, the English East India Company encouraged the cultivtion of opium as a cash crop for exchange on the Chinese market. There was a booming market for imported opium; its growing use in China was a symptom of the despair and decline of a once-proud nation.

InOne · 18-11-2009, 12:40 AM

Don't think they exist here now. But we were always going to get into drugs.

andyman · 18-11-2009, 12:46 AM

Still waiting for Arista to post.. Then again i don't think he is... human!

InOne · 18-11-2009, 12:50 AM

God knows what he is lol

WOMBAI · 18-11-2009, 07:39 AM

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Still waiting for Arista to post.. Then again i don't think he is... human!

Still no comment from you as to why you don't sign up and fight what is for you a crucial fight. All talk and no action! Just want other people to fight for you!

andyman · 18-11-2009, 07:50 AM

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Still no comment from you as to why you don't sign up and fight what is for you a crucial fight. All talk and no action! Just want other people to fight for you!

... Very childish of you.

Look into this more please.

Spike · 18-11-2009, 08:03 AM

No. We shouldn't leave. It would almost certainly cause a world wide disastor if we did
For the saftey of people in Afghanistan and around the world we must stay and see the job through
Pulling out can't even be considered an option at the moment

andyman · 18-11-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike

No. We shouldn't leave. It would almost certainly cause a world wide disastor if we did
For the saftey of people in Afghanistan and around the world we must stay and see the job through
Pulling out can't even be considered an option at the moment

Hence why we are still there, its a long road but we must see it to the end..

WOMBAI · 18-11-2009, 08:08 AM

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... Very childish of you.

Look into this more please.

I don't need to. You act as though you know so much about it - being patronising to others to disagree. Tell us what makes you such an expert on the subject - what makes your 'opinion' (which is all it is) such a valid one. Until you can come up with something substantial to validate your opinion - I for one won't be taking you very seriously.

Macho idiot wanting to go in all guns blazing - with no thought for those that actually have to fight that fight - and no intention of putting your money where you mouth is - and fighting it yourself.

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