[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

The muslim religion is not intolerant, your making a very sweeping generalisation based on the values and political motivations of a small minority. This is a country that accepts all cultures and respects peoples rights to wear whatever they bloody well like and most people do so appropriately and cause no harm. The argument against enforcement is obviously lost on you so I'll give up...till the next time you guys have some rant about muslims to make

Clearly many in this country do not respect people's rights to wear whatever they bloodywell like - without question - as is shown by the strong feeling against the wearing of such clothing! We have our principles too! We have proved to be a very tolerant nation - but some are taking liberties and attempting to enforce their will - they just don't like it when we stand up and say - enough!

For me, the following quote says it all:

"My message to those Muslims who want to live in a Talibanised society, and turn their face against Britain, is this: 'If you don't like living here and don't want to integrate, then what the hell are you doing here? Why don't you just go and live in an Islamic country?'"


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[AndyJK]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Clearly many in this country do not respect people's rights to wear whatever they bloodywell like - without question - as is shown by the strong feeling against the wearing of such clothing! We have our principles too! We have proved to be a very tolerant nation - but some are taking liberties and attempting to enforce their will - they just don't like it when we stand up and say - enough!

For me, the following quote says it all:

"My message to those Muslims who want to live in a Talibanised society, and turn their face against Britain, is this: 'If you don't like living here and don't want to integrate, then what the hell are you doing here? Why don't you just go and live in an Islamic country?'"


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I know quite a bit about Saira Khan and I agree with what she said in the article. But don't expect the spineless politicans in Westminster to get tough and ban the burkha. As far as I know none of the main parties will do anything so drastic. No guesses why that is.

As to the answer to your question, I can only make a conjecture and say I imagine most Muslims who arrive here are asylum seekers who want a better quality of life at the tax payers' expense. And because our borders and immigration controls are more lax than other european countries they believe they stand a better chance to live here permanently than the first safe country they entered where there is a higher chance that will be deported.

Why else would someone who is non-English speaking, has strong Islamic views and customs alien to our own tradiotions and have lived in hot climates want to come here.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

I know quite a bit about Saira Khan and I agree with what she said in the article. But don't expect the spineless politicans in Westminster to get tough and ban the burkha. As far as I know none of the main parties will do anything so drastic. No guesses why that is.

As to the answer to your question, I can only make a conjecture and say I imagine most Muslims who arrive here are asylum seekers who want a better quality of life at the tax payers' expense. And because our borders and immigration controls are more lax than other european countries they believe they stand a better chance to live here permanently than the first safe country they entered where there is a higher chance that will be deported.

Why else would someone who is non-English speaking, has strong Islamic views and customs alien to our own tradiotions and have lived in hot climates want to come here.

Agreed - undoubtedly they came here for a better quality of life - but once here make little effort to integrate with us and our culture and just exhibit a lack of tolerance and understanding of our way of life - whilst expecting us to be welcoming, tolerant and understanding of theirs. It is double standards at its worst. I am sick to death of people resorting to calling anyone who objects to this - racist - it's the oldest trick in the book - an attempt to shut us up.

In many ways - we may have become a multicultural country - but that doesn't mean we don't still have a dominant culture and religion of our own. Some people on here throw the words multicultural and diversity around as an excuse to deny us and our country - our identity and our rights. Can be really annoying.

[AndyJK]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Agreed - undoubtedly they came here for a better quality of life - but once here make little effort to integrate with us and our culture and just exhibit a lack of tolerance and understanding of our way of life - whilst expecting us to be welcoming, tolerant and understanding of theirs. It is double standards at its worst. I am sick to death of people resorting to calling anyone who objects to this - racist - it's the oldest trick in the book - an attempt to shut us up.

In many ways - we may have become a multicultural country - but that doesn't mean we don't still have a dominant culture and religion of our own. Some people on here throw the words multicultural and diversity around as an excuse to deny us and our country - our identity and our rights. Can be really annoying.

I may come across as a hypocrite but is our own way of life any better? We have criminals given slapped wrists even for serious crimes such as assault due to over populated prisons and clogged up court waiting lists, while victims of crime are treated like criminals themselves. We have procreation on the rise in teenagers, a drug culture, binge drinking, social unrest, ghettos springing up in inner cities, civil disobedience and rise in public debt. More and more kids leave school with fewer qualifications and those who do dream about hedonisitic lifestyles of working in the media, appearing on TV, becoming pin up models and reality stars than aspiring to be scientists or mathematicians. The Christian faith is becoming more and more irrelevant and fewer people want to get married preferring a life of promiscuity leaving more and more kids growing up without families. The Scots and Welsh dislike the English and want more and more independence making the country more and more divided. Europe has more control over how we are governed making our own elected politicians nothing more than pygmies. I could go on but you probably get the gist.

So I ask myself is our way of life worth protecting anymore when there is so much wrong with it?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

I may come across as a hypocrite but is our own way of life any better? We have criminals given slapped wrists even for serious crimes such as assault due to over populated prisons and clogged up court waiting lists, while victims of crime are treated like criminals themselves. We have procreation on the rise in teenagers, a drug culture, binge drinking, social unrest, ghettos springing up in inner cities, civil disobedience and rise in public debt. More and more kids leave school with fewer qualifications and those who do dream about hedonisitic lifestyles of working in the media, appearing on TV, becoming pin up models and reality stars than aspiring to be scientists or mathematicians. The Christian faith is becoming more and more irrelevant and fewer people want to get married preferring a life of promiscuity leaving more and more kids growing up without families. The Scots and Welsh dislike the English and want more and more independence making the country more and more divided. Europe has more control over how we are governed making our own elected politicians nothing more than pygmies. I could go on but you probably get the gist.

So I ask myself is our way of life worth protecting anymore when there is so much wrong with it?

Granted - our way of life is far from perfect - but I think it has its good points. You paint a bleak picture - and although I don't disagree with a lot of what you say - I still think it's worth preserving.

As a woman - I value the freedoms and choices we have today - definitely a step forward as far as I am concerned. It is hard to say what exactly has led to the problems we have now - far too big a subject - and will be lots of different opinions - but, as far as I can see, allowing other cultures to become more dominant in this country can only make the situation worse.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

There you go again...in one breath your saying its nothing to do with Islam and in the next breath your calling Islam a "forceful" "militant" religion! wtf???

That is the thing. They make it to do with Islam.

[InOne]

Can't be bothered looking at all the bullshit someoone might put against it. If you are up for eroding the British culture that is up to you. If you don't accept Britain has a culture, like most the edit who argue against it seem to think, then that is your problem. You just live in your multicultural bubble. Hope it gets you far and leads you a happy life. Britain sadly does not seem to have a say anymore, all too PC, so hope you multiculturalists are happy with yourself. So happy to shout racist is you say anything about Islam. So happy to keep the 'peace' at all costs. Just to grind it into the skulls of the stupid, Islam is not a race, they don't class themselves as a race so why do you class them as one? You say it all falls into the same thing? Well it clearly does not. This is about the Burka, the Burka is not wanted here, plain and simple.

[Alf]

come over to the right

[InOne]

Seems we are dealing with idiocy in this thread!!!!

[Alf]

this thread's depressing so i'm gonna cheer it up with a bit of peter kay

Youtube video

[InOne]

Not depressing, just realistic!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

So I ask myself is our way of life worth protecting anymore when there is so much wrong with it?

it was this that depressed me, apart from this quote, this was a great post by mr jk

[InOne]

Well guess you need to get into the real world then!!!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well guess you need to get into the real world then!!!

whats your problem buddy?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by wannashag

whats your problem buddy?

Nothing man. What is your view on the matter!! Sorry had a few too many lastnight.

[AndyJK]

I did paint a bleak picture of our country and admit Im more of a pessimist than an optimist these days. Yes there are still things in our country worth fighting for and I am not suggesting people give up fighting for what they believe. But bear in mind we have an out-of-date first past the post electoral system which means it will always be either New Labour or Tory who win, and the other parties will use tactical voting to gang up against any smaller party seen as a threat of winning a seat. Im a fan of UKIP but theres little hope of them ever winning a seat and those who do vote for them spread the right-wing vote which could let in or keep in a New Labour candidate.

There won't be any quick fix or even a start to the solution until certain Acts are revoked, namely the Human Rights Act of which its many loopholes lawyers are exploiting to line their own pockets (which includes people like Cheri Blair and makes you wonder how much influence she had on government policy) and we replace the first past the post system with proportional representation. Although the Tories have said they will look at changing or getting rid of the Human Rights Act they have said they wont alter the electoral votring system.

I can see nationalism rising as the main parties become more and more weaker, irrelevant and out of touch.

[InOne]

The UK has become too PC for it's own good. Always wanting to keep other people happy...

[Wildcat!]

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[InOne]

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[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

I did paint a bleak picture of our country and admit Im more of a pessimist than an optimist these days. Yes there are still things in our country worth fighting for and I am not suggesting people give up fighting for what they believe. But bear in mind we have an out-of-date first past the post electoral system which means it will always be either New Labour or Tory who win, and the other parties will use tactical voting to gang up against any smaller party seen as a threat of winning a seat. Im a fan of UKIP but theres little hope of them ever winning a seat and those who do vote for them spread the right-wing vote which could let in or keep in a New Labour candidate.

There won't be any quick fix or even a start to the solution until certain Acts are revoked, namely the Human Rights Act of which its many loopholes lawyers are exploiting to line their own pockets (which includes people like Cheri Blair and makes you wonder how much influence she had on government policy) and we replace the first past the post system with proportional representation. Although the Tories have said they will look at changing or getting rid of the Human Rights Act they have said they wont alter the electoral votring system.

I can see nationalism rising as the main parties become more and more weaker, irrelevant and out of touch.

Certainly the human right 'freedom of expression' is only applicable to a select few in Britain.

[Beastie]

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[InOne]

Originally Posted by thebeast

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My comments were too rock n roll for the forum lol :P

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by thebeast

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Tell you what - you delete John & Edward permanently - then MAYBE I will delete my comment!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Tell you what - you delete John & Edward permanently - then MAYBE I will delete my comment!

Calm down dear.

[WOMBAI]

Moi! Never calmer!