[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Rubbish wheres those figures from...your friendly anti islam site?

FBI figures and data from europol (over the last 10 years) suggests that 4-6% of attacks are committed by islamists:

Your figures are rubbish. They are numbers games and definition games and they carefully select what nations,
and,
don't even address the whole 'body count' (what REALLY matters) that I went for.
Here you can say that Islamofascists are only responsible for 75% of the planes flown into buildings.
As of today - 25% of those are domestic 'IRS' terrorists.
See the game?

In fact, Islamic 'holy duty' terror attacks (and these we mean are FOR the purpose of causing terror to others) but these are actually much more rare in the USA and Europe compared to many other places.
Indonesia, China, Pakistan.. the astonishing number of murders committed in the name of Allah boggles the mind.

Here is last weeks contribution from Islam:
Feb 06 - Feb 13
39 Dead Bodies
114 Critically Injured

2010.02.18 (Yala, Thailand) - Industrious Islamists shoot a civilian to death in one district and set off a motorcycle bomb in another.
2010.02.18 (Khyber, Pakistan) - Thirty people are incinerated by a Shahid suicide bomber at a rival mosque.
2010.02.18 (Orakzai, Pakistan) - Fourteen patrons at a cattle market are dismembered by an Islamic bomb.
2010.02.18 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends over a dozen Iraqis to Allah.
2010.02.17 (Mosul, Iraq) - Another young Christian is shot to death by Muslim extremists.
2010.02.17 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Religion of Peace advocates behead two government soldiers trying to guard teachers.

With your type of game-playing we can agree that the 'worst terror attack' in Canada was in the 1970s when the FLQ Crisis saw 1 politician murdered,
however,
we are now actually a helluva lot more worried about the dozen and more young Muslims who came TOO CLOSE to carrying out horrific violence that would have murdered hundreds if not thousands of innocent canadian citizens and brutally mangled more.
Since 9/11

But hey.. Islam's body count for January wasn't even their worst yet:
145 Jihad Attacks spanning 16 different countries and across 5 different religions...

Dead Bodies: 683

Critically Injured: 1251

That was this January alone.

Have no idea what Islam contributes to peace or safety and I really don't see boatloads of Muslim Relief Groups made up of volunteers from Mosques going to Haiti or anywhere else to build homes or donate rebuilding efforts.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Your figures are rubbish. They are numbers games and definition games and they carefully select what nations,
and,
don't even address the whole 'body count' (what REALLY matters) that I went for.
Here you can say that Islamofascists are only responsible for 75% of the planes flown into buildings.
As of today - 25% of those are domestic 'IRS' terrorists.
See the game?

In fact, Islamic 'holy duty' terror attacks (and these we mean are FOR the purpose of causing terror to others) but these are actually much more rare in the USA and Europe compared to many other places.
Indonesia, China, Pakistan.. the astonishing number of murders committed in the name of Allah boggles the mind.

Here is last weeks contribution from Islam:
Feb 06 - Feb 13
39 Dead Bodies
114 Critically Injured

2010.02.18 (Yala, Thailand) - Industrious Islamists shoot a civilian to death in one district and set off a motorcycle bomb in another.
2010.02.18 (Khyber, Pakistan) - Thirty people are incinerated by a Shahid suicide bomber at a rival mosque.
2010.02.18 (Orakzai, Pakistan) - Fourteen patrons at a cattle market are dismembered by an Islamic bomb.
2010.02.18 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends over a dozen Iraqis to Allah.
2010.02.17 (Mosul, Iraq) - Another young Christian is shot to death by Muslim extremists.
2010.02.17 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Religion of Peace advocates behead two government soldiers trying to guard teachers.

With your type of game-playing we can agree that the 'worst terror attack' in Canada was in the 1970s when the FLQ Crisis saw 1 politician murdered,
however,
we are now actually a helluva lot more worried about the dozen and more young Muslims who came TOO CLOSE to carrying out horrific violence that would have murdered hundreds if not thousands of innocent canadian citizens and brutally mangled more.
Since 9/11

But hey.. Islam's body count for January wasn't even their worst yet:
145 Jihad Attacks spanning 16 different countries and across 5 different religions...

Dead Bodies: 683

Critically Injured: 1251

That was this January alone.

Have no idea what Islam contributes to peace or safety and I really don't see boatloads of Muslim Relief Groups made up of volunteers from Mosques going to Haiti or anywhere else to build homes or donate rebuilding efforts.

They're official stats for Europe and USA, thats where we're at threat no?

More worldwide stats:

"The so-called International terrorism -- anything that involves America becomes "International"— perpetrated by Al-Qaeda has killed less than 5000 people. The war against this terrorism-either directly by US attacks or as a result of attacks by "insurgents" fighting American invaders in Iraq, has killed more than one hundred thousands of innocent Muslims. But for America, only their own people are innocents; their hearts bleed at every single American killed, but their eyes do not shed a drop of tear for thousands of Muslim innocents who lost lives just because a Super Power wanted to dominate their country"

http://terrorismcounter.blogspot.com...tatistics.html

Nah you wouldnt see any good things A/ you dont want to B/ They rarely get reported...I told you not to bother including Iraq etc#

On Haiti:

Bahrain: The government has donated $1 million to relief efforts.

Jordan: A Jordanian air force plane carrying a military field hospital and 6 tons of food and supplies left Amman on January 14. A second plane carrying Jordanian medics left the following day.

Iran: Iran's Red Crescent society sent 30 tons of humanitarian aid, including food, tents and medicine, on January 16.

Kuwait: Kuwait donated $1 million to relief efforts; the Red Crescent is preparing 100 tons of food, medical supplies, tents and blankets to fly to Haiti.

Lebanon: Lebanon is loading a plane with 25 tons of tents and 3 tons of medical supplies; it leaves tomorrow.

Morocco: Two planes carrying 24 tons of aid left the city of Kenitra on January 16. The Moroccan government has pledged $1 million in aid to Haiti.

Qatar: A Qatari C-17 aircraft loaded with 50 tons of aid left for Port-au-Prince on January 14. The Qatari government also sent a rescue team to set up a field hospital; the Red Crescent will sent another $100,000.

Turkey: Three cargo planes -- carrying search-and-rescue teams, a mobile hospital and aid materials -- left for Haiti on January 16. Another two planes left yesterday. Turkey has also donated $1 million in cash.

United Arab Emirates: The UAE sent two planes loaded with tents, and a team from the UAE's Red Crescent will arrive in the Dominican Republic tomorrow to buy $500,000 worth of supplies and truck them to Haiti. Another 50 tons of emergency supplies will be air-lifted from Abu Dhabi tomorrow.

And these are just the countries in our area of interest -- I didn't include majority-Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, which have also made contributions. Oh, and the Islamic Society of North America set up a fund for Haiti, too.


• Saudi Arabia donated $50 million to the UN Flash Appeal.

• Syria has airlifted 30 tons of humanitarian aid.

• Tunisia pledged $1 million to the UN Emergency Fund for Haiti....


http://www.themajlis.org/2010/01/18/...-helping-haiti

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=87760

http://www.imana.org/

"Muslim Aid, which launched a £250,000 aid campaign and donated £75,000, said its teams were installing purification units to provide clean drinking water and setting up a mobile field hospital" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8462895.stm

http://www.muslimsforhaiti.org/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/4685378...02041112/show/

On Peace:

"Wars in last 150 years

1860-65: American civil war (360,000)
1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (3 million)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1904: Germany Vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan Vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915: the Ottoman empire slaughters Armenians (1.2 million)
1914-18: World War I (8 million)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)

1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1948-: Kashmir's civil war (40,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims Vs Hindus (20,000)
1950-53: Korean war (4 million)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (1 million)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (30 million)
1960-90: South Africa Vs Africa National Congress (?)
1961-2003: Kurds Vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo Vs Portugal (?)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (200,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million)
1966-: Colombia's civil war (31,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Northern Ireland's civil war (2,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-: Philippines Vs Muslim separatists (120,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-90: civil war in Lebanon (40,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (1 million)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1980-92: El Salvador's civil war (100,000)
1980-99: Kurds Vs Turkey (35,000)
1982-90: Hussein Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2002: Sri Lanka's civil war (64,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda Vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavia's civil war (200,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis Vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (10,000)
1998-: Congo/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda Vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO Vs Serbia (2,000)
2001: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK Vs Taliban (25,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003: Iraq's liberation war - USA, UK and Australia Vs Saddam Hussein (14,000)
2003-: Sudan Vs Darfur (70,000)
2003-: Iraq's civil war (100,000)


Out of the total number of around 160 million dead, more than 135 million have been killed in or by countries that are now the five big powers of the world, namely China, the US, the UK, France and Russia. The killings by or in Muslim countries form a very small percentage of the total killings, despite the fact that Muslims form about one fifth of the world population."
http://terrorismcounter.blogspot.com...tatistics.html



...and as Stick Man would say


(your) Source?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

On Haiti:

Bahrain:
Jordan:
Iran: Iran's Red Crescent society sent 30 tons of humanitarian aid, including food, tents and medicine, on January 16.

"Muslim Aid, which launched a £250,000 aid campaign and donated £75,000, said its teams were installing purification units to provide clean drinking water and setting up a mobile field hospital" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8462895.stm

...and as Stick Man would say


(your) Source?

No.
We already know that those countries have to put up something near the neighbourhood of other countries.

So don't bother 'one-upping' with that because you still DO NOT SEE boatloads of volunteers from mosques going over donating time and effort and aid.
You don't.

If you wanted to play the numbers game you could not only list all nations donating that much,
but,
NON MUSLIM USA and GERMANY FAR FAR OUT CASHED Tsunami relief when INCLUDING THE ISLAMIC NATIONS.
WAY MORE Actual CASH MONEY from them than from the Islamic nations,
AND,
.... getting back to the original point and problem you want to answer:
- The NON-Muslim nations didn't just give MORE MONEY,
but,
There was actually a 'problem' with far too many Christian mission groups (not government money here) but people ALSO paying their own ways, paying their own boats and supplies,
and,
standing around asking if they could spend months rebuilding.

Thousands of Christian youth group members.. often in Muslim regions in addition to the money and aid already supplied by their governments,
yet,
Where were thousands of Muslim youth?

- Training to murder civilians in Jihad training camps.
- Exploding enemies in suicide bombings.
- A few videotaped themselves 'moaning sexually' as they sawed off the head of a living person with kitchen knives saying 'praise Allah'.

[NettoSuperstar!]

LoL...ok mate ignore the relative stability of a lot of muslim countries, proportion, proximity, and various social and economic factors involved...I'll ignore the ridiculous bollocks at the end of your post

http://www.muslimsforhaiti.org/HaitiShelterProject.html

http://www.muslimsforhaiti.org/DoctorsMedicalCamps.html

http://www.muslimsforhaiti.org/AllPi...FromHaiti.html

For you to SEE

[InOne]

America has had a few cases like this, when asked why one guy commited a mass slaying he said "Because I wanted to be remembered"

[Tom4784]

The only reason why it seems Muslims are behind every attack is because the media aren't giving much focus to many other attacks by non-Muslims as it doesn't fit into their image of terrorism that they want to portray. The face of Terrorism used to be the IRA and then in America in the 90's it was white supremacists. Nowadays the posterchild for Terrorism is Islam, I think it was last year when a white supremacist suicide bomber bombed a street in America but it got nearly no press coverage since it didn't fit in with the current image of terrorism. The only reason this attack's recieved so much attention is because people probably thought it was a Muslim Extremist behind it at first.

The media plays most people like fools, they'll focus on terrifying the public into buying Newspapers or watching the news to get the next piece of the story. Look at Swine Flu and Bird Flu, we were all meant to be dead by now The media relies on narrative and worst possible scenarios to keep the public interested and most people fall hook line and sinker for it.

[Sticks]

Side point, as this happened in Texas, you do not call anyone born south of the Mason - Dixon line a Yankee - It's a civil war thing and they get really upset if you get this wrong. I have been told this by a Texan. It is like calling a Geordie a Maccum and visa versa but worse.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Sticks

.... a Yankee

But it is a Cockney 'Yank' and not their sense of 'Yankee'.

Besides.. they came up with 'Canuck' and yeah I think its probably what it sounds like.. Can... *uck.

[Jords]

Shocking! :/

[NettoSuperstar!]

^You've been given figures from the FBI and Europol and various other factual based sources and still you dont want to believe...that is why your a bigot

[James]

Stop using insults in this thread.

Edit. Posts deleted.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

By the way - do you have some figures - from a respected reliable source - than confirm what you say that most terrorist attacks are not carried out by Muslims? Without such figures - your remarks are simply opinion - like the rest of us - and do not justify your arrogant, pompus comments. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't - but the fact is that most/or all of the recent attacks that affect us - have been! Or is that just hype too?

Define "recent" and define "terrorism".

Since the late 60's the greater number of terrorist attacks in or on the UK has been as a result of Irish Nationalism. In the 1970's the Army Council of the Provisional IRA decided to bring the war against the British Government to the UK mainland and the number of terrorist attacks on mainland UK since that date committed by Irish nationalists far excedes the number of Muslim terrorist attacks, also bear in mind the that operations were conducted still in Northern Ireland and the Republic during those times. There was a lot of sectarian violence, a form of terrorism. Northern Ireland being part of the UK still has the occassional little burst of it. But the total number of terrorist incidents from the unrest over there is phenomonal if you include punishment beatings, sectarian violence, riotings etc.

Bear in mind the list on the following link only gives attacks and aborted attacks that were publicised:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Great_Britain

Separatism be it Basque, Palestinian or any other has also lead the field from the 1960's through till the 2000's in Europe and the Middle East.

The rise in Islamic terrorism can be seen from the early 1980's internationally.

Due primarily to the situation in and around the Middle East. In the early 80's Israel invaded Southern lebanon to attempt to prevent the PLO from launching attacks against her people. Syria also sent troops into Lebanon. The PLO concentrated most of its troops in and around Beirut, Violence then erupted between Muslim and Christian fundamentalists. The US led a multinational peace keeping force into Lebanon whose mission was to evacuate the PLO to Syria, and then they withdrew, The PLO who had established refugee camps around Beirut started filtering their fighters back into them.

On the evening of September 16, 1982, Christian Phalangists swept into the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps outside Beirut and slaughtered hundreds of Palestinian civilians. Eyewitness reports and subsequent Israeli inquiries established that Israeli commanders permitted the Christian militia to enter the camps. Sharon himself later testified that he had approved of the men going into the camps in order to detain PLO guerrillas. But he also insisted that he had no advance knowledge that a massacre of civilians would take place. Regardless of intent, the massacre caused a significant shift in the balance of power in Lebanon, one with important implications for the emergence of Hezbollah.

The US led another peacekeeping force back into Lebanon, however the local Shi'ites simply looked upon it as another occupying force. The Israelis had been able to use artillery on civilian villages and town with impunity during the last peacekeeping mission.

Complicating matters, the newly installed Khomeini regime in Iran had sent 1,000 Revolutionary Guards, the regime's elite fighting force, to southern Lebanon at the conclusion of the Israeli siege. The Revolutionary Guards provided military training for the existing Shiite militia and helped form Hezbollah, a new, more radical Islamic faction.

Then we had the bombings of the US embassy(Islamic Jihad) and the Marine barracks in Beruit in 1983 producing over 300 fatalities. Whilst not forcing the US to leave, the American led peacekeeping force withdrew in 1984. The terrorists believed this was due to them. This was a key factor in future Muslim Fundamentalist belief.

Obviously since the early 80's a lot of misguided young men have been led astray in the cause of Islam. There are hundreds if not thousands of incidents since the 1980's involving muslims.

There are numerous terrorist incidents in Latin America, Africa and Asia every year but most fail to gain any mention in the UK media, mainly because it doesnt directly impact on us as a nation.



Try this link for terrorism worldwide, again you have to bear in mind lots of attacks were thwarted in the early stages were not included on the various lists, eg August 1988 Gibraltar, an IRA ASU were terminated in their planned attack on a military parade, during their preparation phase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rist_incidents

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

^You've been given figures from the FBI and Europol and various other factual based sources and still you dont want to believe...that is why your a bigot

And so are you!

"A bigot (in modern usage) is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different ethnicity, race, or class."

The term is equally applicable to you!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

And so are you!

Do you know what bigot even means?

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

Stop using insults in this thread.

Edit. Posts deleted.

Please
James will Lock Thread this soon
and I would prefer some debate without Insults.
It can be done.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Do you know what bigot even means?

More than you I suspect!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

More than you I suspect!

In fairness she got her information from a more valid source then anyone in this thread and has made the best points. She's put across a good case and bigoted to deny that (if we're gonna use that word in a pedantic sense).

Wombai, you never did manage to argue against my post....

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

In fairness she got her information from a more valid source then anyone in this thread and has made the best points. She's put across a good case and bigoted to deny that (if we're gonna use that word in a pedantic sense).

Wombai, you never did manage to argue against my post....

Yes I did - a nice long reply for you to read - but James deleted it! Very unfairly so I think!
Had you really managed to convince yourself that I didn't have one! It was after all a complete load of nonsense from someone deluded enough to think their arguments are always superior to their opponents!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Yes I did - a nice long reply for you to read - but James deleted it! Very unfairly so I think!
Had you really managed to convince yourself that I didn't have one! It was after all a complete load of nonsense from someone deluded enough to think their arguments are always superior to their opponents!

Well I never saw it but please try again, I'd love to see what your counter argument for the media's use of hysteria and narrative is. Probably 'SEXIST PIGS! RAWR!!!!!'

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well I never saw it but please try again, I'd love to see what your counter argument for the media's use of hysteria and narrative is. Probably 'SEXIST PIGS! RAWR!!!!!'

WRONG! I never mentioned or implied sexism at all - wasn't going to give you the excuse of attempting to divert attention on to that! Unfortunately, can't remember what I put - it was about 6 hours ago - and really can't be bothered to think about it again. The very last paragraph was quoted at the beginning of Shasown's post - the rest you will have to ask James for!

[InOne]

This thread has nothing to do with terrorism, he was a mentally ill man who flew a plane into a building. To some degree it could be classed as that, but not the same kind as you lot were on about.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

WRONG! I never mentioned or implied sexism at all - wasn't going to give you the excuse of attempting to divert attention on to that! Unfortunately, can't remember what I put - it was about 6 hours ago - and really can't be bothered to think about it again. The very last paragraph was quoted at the beginning of Shasown's post - the rest you will have to ask James for!

Oh so yesterday you're denying you called me a sexist ***** for not agreeing with your point? You didn't mention it at all......

If you're not gonna bother trying to prove me wrong don't attack me in the first place in the future.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

This thread has nothing to do with terrorism, he was a mentally ill man who flew a plane into a building. To some degree it could be classed as that, but not the same kind as you lot were on about.

True but the original ideas that it could have been terrorism and the methods used link in to my point about media hysteria.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh so yesterday you're denying you called me a sexist ***** for not agreeing with your point? You didn't mention it at all......

If you're not gonna bother trying to prove me wrong don't attack me in the first place in the future.

I did prove you wrong - you idiot! And when did I call you the 'c' word - resorting to out and out lies now - to try and 'out-do' me! That is a word I never use - more class thanks! Come on - show me where I said that!

[Vicky.]

Dezzy, she didnt call you a sexist *******

She called you a patronizing t*** because you said that she was just influenced by the media...


And can this bickering stop please?