[InOne]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah Just a King of England, Isabelle was daughter of King Charles VI, he was just the king of France. So thats two of the most powerful leaders in the known world at the time. In those days marriages between royalty would have been sanctioned by the church.

So thats basically christianity agreeing with Richard marrying a child too. 750+ years after old Mohammed, religious leader of initially a few bedouin tribes followed a common practice among his people. And married a young girl in order to confirm she was a virgin and as such pure and worthy of bearing his line.

Social customs and beliefs change through time, wasnt so long ago slavery was ok and small children worked in factories.

Might have been ok then, but why should we accept them and what they got upto now?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by InOne

Might have been ok then, but why should we accept them and what they got upto now?

Then there is no need to insult their prophet and their religion (if you want to class it as that), for customs and beliefs that have changed, I am not saying you should respect it, just dont denigrate it out of context. There are more than enough things you can rip into a lot of mainstream muslim belief for.

We have to accept them because if we dont they will call us racist and Gordon and Company will stick up for them.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Then there is no need to insult their prophet and their religion (if you want to class it as that), for customs and beliefs that have changed, I am not saying you should respect it, just dont denigrate it out of context. There are more than enough things you can rip into a lot of mainstream muslim belief for.

We have to accept them because if we dont they will call us racist and Gordon and Company will stick up for them.

Well their prophet and religion should be insulted. But women still get treated badly even in the UK and people don't say anything cos of 'respect'. And it's not insulting it's just the truth.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well their prophet and religion should be insulted. But women still get treated badly even in the UK and people don't say anything cos of 'respect'. And it's not insulting it's just the truth.

Will give you that one, no arguement on their treatment of women. I did say there were a lot of other things people can rip into them for.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Will give you that one, no arguement on their treatment of women. I did say there were a lot of other things people can rip into them for.

Yeah man, did you see that doc on Sharia courts in the UK? Not good.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah man, did you see that doc on Sharia courts in the UK? Not good.

Yeah but as soon as you start saying no they cant do that, they pull out the race/religion card.

Sharia Law can work in house as it were, where its principles are used to solve purely muslim problems in business or religious matters for example, it should not be used for any of the Hadd offenses(where the punishment is amputations stonings etc).

It clashes with modern western law in many ways particularly that it favours men in disputes, in divorce etc. However Sharia rulings have no legal basis in UK law and if a person felt they werent being treated equally then they can apply for resolution in the UK courts.

It does not nor should ever be allowed to over rule the law of the land, of whichever country it is allowed to be practiced. For example it allows polygamy, who wants that? Just think of all the extra mother in laws.

In countries that do go by Sharia Law you very rarely hear of men being stoned to death for adultery, at least not as often as you hear of women undergoing that barbaric punishment. Now I know that is the punishment for married people and the punishemnt for singles is 100 lashes. Could it be that ALL Muslim men are most honorable and honest and would NEVER EVER do anything like that, it practically says so in the Qu'ran, at least it implies that. That is why it is necessary to beat a wayward wife sometimes. After all, if it weren't for women's existence, men wouldn't desire them in the first place.

And anyone who hides behind it in the UK having commited a Hadd punishment or even being involved in such a trial should be punished to the fullest extent of the law as having complicity in any offences.

If they want to live in a country that is under total Sharia Law, then perhaps they should start phoning BA or similar and finding flight details.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah but as soon as you start saying no they cant do that, they pull out the race/religion card.

Sharia Law can work in house as it were, where its principles are used to solve purely muslim problems in business or religious matters for example, it should not be used for any of the Hadd offenses(where the punishment is amputations stonings etc).

It clashes with modern western law in many ways particularly that it favours men in disputes, in divorce etc. However Sharia rulings have no legal basis in UK law and if a person felt they werent being treated equally then they can apply for resolution in the UK courts.

It does not nor should ever be allowed to over rule the law of the land, of whichever country it is allowed to be practiced. For example it allows polygamy, who wants that? Just think of all the extra mother in laws.

In countries that do go by Sharia Law you very rarely hear of men being stoned to death for adultery, at least not as often as you hear of women undergoing that barbaric punishment. Now I know that is the punishment for married people and the punishemnt for singles is 100 lashes. Could it be that ALL Muslim men are most honorable and honest and would NEVER EVER do anything like that, it practically says so in the Qu'ran, at least it implies that. That is why it is necessary to beat a wayward wife sometimes. After all, if it weren't for women's existence, men wouldn't desire them in the first place.

And anyone who hides behind it in the UK having commited a Hadd punishment or even being involved in such a trial should be punished to the fullest extent of the law as having complicity in any offences.

Yeah man, but alot are citizens of the UK. It's easy to say 'let the muslims get on with it' But the wife never has a choice of which court it goes too. And they are too scared to do anything cos of the backlash they'd get from both families. Some muslim women have it tough over here, cos if they don't comply they'd just get sent to pakistan or wherever and basically married off. I mean, they have progressed but it still goes on. Our goverment should not allow though courts to exist and you know it.