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Shasown · 02-03-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

So why do you think the Good Friday Agreement eliminated the requirement of any member of parliment to take any Oath of Allegiance? Give it a rest Shasown.

Its called compromise, you know give and take, it ensured that nationalists elected to the assembly would actually turn up and take part. there were lots of other minor requirements as well, you know really little things like the cessation of violence.

setanta · 02-03-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Its called compromise, you know give and take, it ensured that nationalists elected to the assembly would actually turn up and take part. there were lots of other minor requirements as well, you know really little things like the cessation of violence.

Yes, a cessation on both fronts. Looks like the Oath wasn't too difficult a thing for Unionist Northern Irish people to let go of either. Again, means nadda to many up there.

Shasown · 02-03-2010, 09:06 PM

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Yes, a cessation on both fronts. Looks like the Oath wasn't too difficult a thing for Unionist Northern Irish people to let go of either. Again, means nadda to many up there.

Yeah right as soon as it came up as a point of contention the Ulster Unionists said "no problem thats alright". I seem to remember Unionists denouncing proposals to remove the Oath of Allegiance. In the end common sense and political pressure won out.

Maybe it was considered to be a relatively small price to pay on the path for peace.

setanta · 02-03-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah right as soon as it came up as a point of contention the Ulster Unionists said "no problem thats alright". I seem to remember Unionists denouncing proposals to remove the Oath of Allegiance. In the end common sense and political pressure won out.

Maybe it was considered to be a relatively small price to pay on the path for peace.

Exactly. It was totally unnecessary to the running of the country. So yeah, Patrick has every right to go meh to anything regarding the Queen.

BGT-FAN! · 02-03-2010, 09:26 PM

Its obviously not a real article, look at the bottom.
Funny though

Shasown · 02-03-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Exactly. It was totally unnecessary to the running of the country. So yeah, Patrick has every right to go meh to anything regarding the Queen.

I am not saying he doesnt have that right. Just as anyone can say they dont believe in the monarchy, the political system, religion or anything else. I simply pointed out the fact that she is the Queen of the UK not just England. As he is a citizen of the UK whether he wants to be or not. She is technically his queen. Makes no matter whether he wants her to be or not.

ILoveTRW · 02-03-2010, 09:30 PM

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setanta · 02-03-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

I am not saying he doesnt have that right. Just as anyone can say they dont believe in the monarchy, the political system, religion or anything else. I simply pointed out the fact that she is the Queen of the UK not just England. As he is a citizen of the UK whether he wants to be or not. She is technically his queen. Makes no matter whether he wants her to be or not.

It's his individual right to never have to swear allegiance to her during his lifetime. So nah, she has no say over him.

Iceman · 02-03-2010, 09:34 PM

@Harry - He doesnt need to know who she is....he doesnt need to do research and check. just chill the **** out a bit sometimes and stop taking everything so serious

Harry! · 02-03-2010, 09:35 PM

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@Harry - He doesnt need to know who she is....he doesnt need to do research and check. just chill the **** out a bit sometimes and stop taking everything so serious

I am a serious person that is part of my personality.

Iceman · 02-03-2010, 09:37 PM

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I am a serious person that is part of my personality.

Yeah but you dont have to try and make everyone be serious on everything.

Harry! · 02-03-2010, 09:39 PM

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Yeah but you dont have to try and make everyone be serious on everything.

But him saying 'it will be funny when the queen dies' it not funny.

Iceman · 02-03-2010, 09:40 PM

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But him saying 'it will be funny when the queen dies' it not funny.

to you, to other people it might be...she's your queen not everyones

Harry! · 02-03-2010, 09:41 PM

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to you, to other people it might be...she's your queen not everyones

I dont find joking about death funny. Never mind who is the 'person' who will die in the statement.

Shasown · 02-03-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

It's his individual right to never have to swear allegiance to her during his lifetime. So nah, she has no say over him.

I never said he had to swear allegiance to her, no one does. Except currently he lives in a country that is part of her realm. The laws on statute he lives by are in her name. The money he uses bears her picture. (Except where allowed under the Bankers (Northern Ireland) Act 1928). So no she has no say any of his life.

Iceman · 02-03-2010, 09:44 PM

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I dont find joking about death funny. Never mind who is the 'person' who will die in the statement.

Yes YOU dont other people probably will.....hence all those jokes that we posted a few weeks back.....like i was saying lighten up a bit.....

Patrick · 02-03-2010, 09:45 PM

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Except currently he lives in a country that is part of her realm. The laws on statute he lives by are in her name. The money he uses bears her picture. (Except where allowed under the Bankers (Northern Ireland) Act 1928). So no she has no say any of his life.

Which Is one of the reasons why I hate her.

setanta · 02-03-2010, 09:47 PM

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Except currently he lives in a country that is part of her realm. The laws on statute he lives by are in her name. The money he uses bears her picture. (Except where allowed under the Bankers (Northern Ireland) Act 1928). So no she has no say any of his life.

You see, this really reflects more on how you feel about Northern Ireland than Northern Ireland itself, you know? It's interesting.

Harry! · 02-03-2010, 09:48 PM

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Yes YOU dont other people probably will.....hence all those jokes that we posted a few weeks back.....like i was saying lighten up a bit.....

''lighten up a bit''

I will act how I feel. I am always honest about my feelings on here and I dont feel that you should fake them for anyone. There might be a few things you might not like which I might find funny (Not going to have a list game).

Iceman · 02-03-2010, 09:49 PM

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''lighten up a bit''

I will act how I feel. I am always honest about my feelings on here and I dont feel that you should fake them for anyone. There might be a few things you might not like which I might find funny (Not going to have a list game).

Yeah so stop trying to tell him to change then, thats the way he posts, leave him be. He's just being honest.

Shasown · 02-03-2010, 09:50 PM

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You see, this really reflects more on how you feel about Northern Ireland than Northern Ireland itself, you know? It's interesting.

It doesnt reflect on how I feel about N Ireland at all. Its merely a comment on reality not loyalties. One day hopefully the problem will be resolved to everyones satisfaction and everyone will get along nicely.

Harry! · 02-03-2010, 09:50 PM

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Yeah so stop trying to tell him to change then, thats the way he posts, leave him be. He's just being honest.

But there are somethings I dont like what he says. We wont be best pals on here and I was only doing it for the best (for both).

Iceman · 02-03-2010, 09:53 PM

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But there are somethings I dont like what he says. We wont be best pals on here and I was only doing it for the best (for both).

So its not for you to say its right or wrong what he says.....double standards......

setanta · 02-03-2010, 09:54 PM

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It doesnt reflect on how I feel about N Ireland at all. Its merely a comment on reality not loyalties. One day hopefully the problem will be resolved to everyones satisfaction and everyone will get along nicely.

It does of course. It's generates and propagates that superiority complex that the people of Ireland have always felt that the British exude from time to time, especially when you were so quick to defend the policies that the UK introduced during the Troubles. Devolution has returned to Northern Ireland and it should be allowed to function on it's own without having to bow before the Queen.... that's Patrick's right.

Harry! · 02-03-2010, 09:56 PM

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So its not for you to say its right or wrong what he says.....double standards......

I guess my pots and kettles have come out from the kitchen. I leave you. Just Patrick gets on my nerves sometimes and I expect that what he feels about me too sometimes. Best turn that kettle off now.

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