[Callum]

Isn't Lily retiring though?

[InOne]

Lily would never be a great. Florance has a better chance than her. I think what I was sort of getting at is there will never be another great, as why I said they are not amoung is. And however many albums you sell does not make you great, as I often have shoved upon me in these kind of threads

[MrGaryy]

yeah but regardless of her retiring, she's still left a huge impact on the music scene and the Noughties and no doubt will continue to do so for a while.

[Twilight]

I'd say Lady GaGa could become a icon, but were just gonna have to wait and see:P

[supernoodles!]

Florence has more talent in her big toe than Lily Allen has in her entire body.

[Wildcat!]

Never quite like MJ there wont!

But there will be one OP! I agree, not people like you mentioned, who are just popular. BUt there will be one, soon enough! We've always have them, so its part of the gene pool.

[MarkWaldorf]

Depends. How many people actually cared about michael jackson before he died? Sure, he had a big dedicated fanbase but it took for him to die for the world to really call him a legend/great for his music again, and not just judge him for his personal life.

I think the same will happen with Madonna. Once the king and queen of pop are gone, it'll pave way for the Britney's, Gaga's, Justin's etc to emerge as the leading figures and it's a repeated process.

[supernoodles!]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Never quite like MJ there wont!

But there will be one OP! I agree, not people like you mentioned, who are just popular. BUt there will be one, soon enough! We've always have them, so its part of the gene pool.

Amen to that

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by MarkWaldorf

Depends. How many people actually cared about michael jackson before he died? Sure, he had a big dedicated fanbase but it took for him to die for the world to really call him a legend/great for his music again, and not just judge him for his personal life.

I think the same will happen with Madonna. Once the king and queen of pop are gone, it'll pave way for the Britney's, Gaga's, Justin's etc to emerge as the leading figures and it's a repeated process.

Errm no! Those people are glorified clones! Britney and them are Michael Jackson/ Madonna clones! They didnt invent or reinvent anything! Gaga same!

Legends are people who were pioneers. Elvis was a pioneer. Michael Jackson, a pioneer. Madonna, same. NOt this lot!

[supernoodles!]

Originally Posted by MarkWaldorf

Depends. How many people actually cared about michael jackson before he died? Sure, he had a big dedicated fanbase but it took for him to die for the world to really call him a legend/great for his music again, and not just judge him for his personal life.

I think the same will happen with Madonna. Once the king and queen of pop are gone, it'll pave way for the Britney's, Gaga's, Justin's etc to emerge as the leading figures and it's a repeated process.

That is rubbish about MJ,Millions of people around the world appreciated what an amazing artist he was from the start of his career.Its only the press who have now done a reverse and started calling him a 'legend' again afterturning their backs on him in recent years.

[Shaun]

The difference between the greats and those around nowadays is that everything's been done.

Madonna, she was the first female popstar to shock people. How erotic and controversial she was (on tour, the Like A Prayer video etc) makes her an icon.

Michael Jackson revolutionised the music video and has had a huge impact on choreography.

Now there's nothing really to pioneer. Unless there's a dramatic shift in dancing / singing styles, we're not going to get an icon some time soon.

[supernoodles!]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The difference between the greats and those around nowadays is that everything's been done.

Madonna, she was the first female popstar to shock people. How erotic and controversial she was (on tour, the Like A Prayer video etc) makes her an icon.

Michael Jackson revolutionised the music video and has had a huge impact on choreography.

Now there's nothing really to pioneer. Unless there's a dramatic shift in dancing / singing styles, we're not going to get an icon some time soon.

I agree,its all been done,haven`t all the boundies been pushed?Gaga is trying but failing,of course she is extremely popular and I don`t dislike her but people who say she is the next Madonna,err no.What has she done exactly apart from wear a bunch of crazy outfits and had a handful of catchy pop tunes.Nothing.Its nothing we haven`t seen before.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Not barely, she made two albums and has loads of songs which have leaked online from the past 4/5 years

Oh I see, she's OBVIOUSLY got ennough to be an iconic legend then......If she's still around in 20 years then we can talk.

To some other posts I'm sorry but I laugh in the face of anyone that thinks the likes of Leona Lewis, Miley Cyrus, and Justin Bieber will become iconic. They're unoriginal fads with nothing new to offer and they will NEVER become iconic or great.

[supernoodles!]

I don`t even know who this Justin Beiber dude is and I don`t want too.

[xDramatick]

Originally Posted by supernoodles!

I agree,its all been done,haven`t all the boundies been pushed?Gaga is trying but failing,of course she is extremely popular and I don`t dislike her but people who say she is the next Madonna,err no.What has she done exactly apart from wear a bunch of crazy outfits and had a handful of catchy pop tunes.Nothing.Its nothing we haven`t seen before.

yeah, 'cos 10 million albums, 35+ million singles, 126 award nominations, 56 awards won, and two sell-out world tours, written songs for & duetted with some of today's biggest artists, contributed to various charities +supported gay rights, && brought the collaboration between music and art back to the mainstream - all in just over a year - is nothing.

[Damaris]

Patrick Wolf :P tehe

[KKBL]

Originally Posted by InOne

Can see her fizzling about to be honest, unless she totally re-invents herself.

That won't happen. Lady GaGa will do everything in her power to make sure thats she's still as successful 5 or 10 years from now. Her massive success so far is no accident. Back in 2008 Lady GaGa was just another underground arist in New York with a plan, 2 years, 2 sold-out WW tours and ten million records later she's the biggest thing in Pop. She is a very very clever woman. Her plan has worked out perfectly so far, I can't see her starting to fail anytime soon.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Leona Lewis.

[Damaris]

Leona Lewis has no chance tbh.

Echo wasnt exacty ranted and raved about was it.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by KKBL

That won't happen. Lady GaGa will do everything in her power to make sure thats she's still as successful 5 or 10 years from now. Her massive success so far is no accident. Back in 2008 Lady GaGa was just another underground arist in New York with a plan, 2 years, 2 sold-out WW tours and ten million records later she's the biggest thing in Pop. She is a very very clever woman. Her plan has worked out perfectly so far, I can't see her starting to fail anytime soon.

As I said before, GaGa is a paraphrase of Madonna. She can try keep herself in the spotlight, but it does not mean she will last. Yes she is a clever woman, hence why she has been able to draw everyone in to her apparent 'kookyness'. Let's see right, Pokerface, Bad Romance, Just Dance, they are just club tunes man, no meaning to them. She has to use imagery to shock. And maybe Madonna had a few scandles in the past, she shocked people, and her songs were also iconic. Who will remember Poker Face in 20 years time? There will be many more GaGa's to come along.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Never quite like MJ there wont!

But there will be one OP! I agree, not people like you mentioned, who are just popular. BUt there will be one, soon enough! We've always have them, so its part of the gene pool.

It will take alot, and they will have to break some real boundaries, but it's not impossible. But like I said, people are too quick to use the term 'icon' these days. I can't see anyone being better than the ones we already have.

[Stu]

Jay-Z is already an icon in some circles. And he has years left in his career yet. The man will be an icon. Also, are we all forgetting about Eminem? Provided he can stay consistent and keep those albums coming, he is certainly becoming an icon in my eyes.

Anyone who will tell you Lady GaGa is an icon is a liar. We just have to wait and see. Wait and see.

[Tom]

I think Shakira will become a cult figure, as will Lily Allen as already mentioned. I think Justin Timberlake would have become one of the greats (people already treat him as influences) had he not vanished off the face of the earth. His time to cement himself has been and gone.

Lady Gaga won't be an icon. She'll fade away once people tire of her act.

Although she doesn't write most of her own music and can't sing live, I think Rihanna will become a memorable singer, she always puts on a good show and her music is constantly evolving.

I think Beyonce is the closest we'll get to one for the time being though.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Jay-Z is already an icon in some circles. And he has years left in his career yet. The man will be an icon. Also, are we all forgetting about Eminem? Provided he can stay consistent and keep those albums coming, he is certainly becoming an icon in my eyes.

Anyone who will tell you Lady GaGa is an icon is a liar. We just have to wait and see. Wait and see.

I agree with Eminem, people said he's fade away after an album r two.....last year he released 2 albums in the space of 3 months and has relapse 2 coming out this year.....he has such a following that he can **** off for 5 years come back and still be right up there with the rest clocking up hits and albums....

[M X]

I know I'll get burned for saying this, but Britney Spears. She's broken every record imaginable, all before she turned 30. The best selling female act of the 2000's, the first song ever to get #1 in over 50 countries, 100 million records sold, 7 sold-out tours in arenas and stadiums, the biggest public meltdown in history yet still managed to come back from the ashes, i could go on..