[Shasown]

A Tory MPhas been investigated by police for alleged racial hatred after criticising the burka during a Commons debate.
Philip Hollobone described the garment as 'the religious equivalent of going around with a paper bag over your head with two holes for the eyes'.
Northamptonshire Race Equality Council, which is funded by taxpayers, complained to police.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0j694IL31


Pardon me for saying this but the tory MP is right it is like a bag over the head. Why waste money on a police investigation for that, besides it was in the commons during a debate and as such is not a police matter.

[Niamh.]

I agree with you there Shasown

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, lets concentrate police time to harassing individual b&b owners

have these people got no priorities??

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, lets concentrate police time to harassing individual b&b owners

have these people got no priorities??

harassing B&B owners? Don't be ridiculous LT, they broke the law, why should they just get away with that?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

harassing B&B owners? Don't be ridiculous LT, they broke the law, why should they just get away with that?

Because they're religious apparently. He wouldn't go on about it if it was the other way round, he'd be demanding action.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because they're religious apparently. He wouldn't go on about it if it was the other way round, he'd be demanding action.

yes exactly!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, lets concentrate police time to harassing individual b&b owners

have these people got no priorities??

Tsk tsk you know thats not true at all, the police were investigating the hate emails, threats and abuse that non homophobic couple received, (read your own link mate) and also the first paragraph under the picture of the B&B in this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0j5pIcRCp

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by Shasown

A Tory MPhas been investigated by police for alleged racial hatred after criticising the burka during a Commons debate.
Philip Hollobone described the garment as 'the religious equivalent of going around with a paper bag over your head with two holes for the eyes'.
Northamptonshire Race Equality Council, which is funded by taxpayers, complained to police.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0j694IL31


Pardon me for saying this but the tory MP is right it is like a bag over the head. Why waste money on a police investigation for that, besides it was in the commons during a debate and as such is not a police matter.

oh i dont know mate i reckon they look more like letterboxes

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

harassing B&B owners? Don't be ridiculous LT, they broke the law, why should they just get away with that?

people on this forum break the law every day with drug taking (and boast about it) but I do not recall you moaning about that

or is it that you just want to prosecute those who do not share your point of view?

I also recall you having some sympathetic views regarding the IRA, notorious law breakers and murderers but again, no comment there?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Tsk tsk you know thats not true at all, the police were investigating the hate emails, threats and abuse that non homophobic couple received, (read your own link mate) and also the first paragraph under the picture of the B&B in this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0j5pIcRCp

if you insist on calling me "mate" as a sort of pedantic put down can you at least call me Mr Mate and show some respect?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if you insist on calling me "mate" as a sort of pedantic put down can you at least call me Mr Mate and show some respect?

Nah it wasnt meant to be a pedantic put down, or any sort of put down, its the way I talk (and type)

I am just wondering if this 'outrage' is some sort of deflection from actually admitting that you had misread the links, or even just a deflection from admitting that you had deliberately tried to steer this thread back to that so obviously non homophobic christian couple?

I suppose I could apologise, I could also call you Mr as you ask, but i wont! As I told you before respect has to be earned in my eyes and frankly you still dont cut the mustard.

[Sticks]

Freedom of speech does not entitle one to yell fire, (When there is none), in a crowded theatre.

This MP should have been prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred. How dare he try and hide behind so called parliamentary privilege, which does not extend to here.

Shasown by saying what he has could be in violation of the law himself, and this could have legal repercussions on the owners of TIBB. I invite Shasown therefore to edit out his remarks before the moderators have to do it, to be in compliance with the law.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Freedom of speech does not entitle one to yell fire, (When there is none), in a crowded theatre.

This MP should have been prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred. How dare he try and hide behind so called parliamentary privilege, which does not extend to here.

Shasown by saying what he has could be in violation of the law himself, and this could have legal repercussions on the owners of TIBB. I invite Shasown therefore to edit out his remarks before the moderators have to do it, to be in compliance with the law.

Wipe your chin, there is a brown mark on it Sticks, in other words you are talking cack.

Have you also informed all the UK newspapers who ran the story? You will notice the link I used is from the Daily Mail, thats dot co dot uk. But thats just one of several. Oh while you are about it you might also want to inform the TV and radio stations who not only ran the story but also featured the story in discussion programs.

In fact hadnt you better just make a UK wide announcement to the effect that no one should discuss it? Thanks for the invititation Sticks but in this particular case, as in so many others, your knowledge of the law, this time in relation to Racial Hatred as well as Parliamentary Priviledge, is negligible. That particular case is a prime example of when it could have been claimed should any charges have been brought against the MP in question.

Incidentally Sticks reference Parliamentary Priviledge this is a quote from the original Bill of Rights passed into statute in 1689:

That the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament;

credits:http://www.webmesh.co.uk/englishbillofrights1689.htm

It may indeed be outdated but it is still in statute, that means it can be used as a defence. Reporting on or even commenting on something stated in parliament is also legal.

As an addendum you will notice that it mentions the word impeached, in this case it means accused of a crime, thats what you have done by saying he was guilty... etc, Technically you have commited a crime you have accused an MP, making a comment in a debate, of Racial Hatred. (Incidentally, its the Speaker of the House of Common's job to decide whether he had commited racial hatred or not, nor has any other MP incuding muslim MP's complained about his comments, obviously there was no censuring in parliament so he hadnt commited it ). So its you committing the offence.

Now if you wish to take independant legal advice on that feel free. Most local solicitors will give you a free consultation in the hope of them being engaged by you. Be warned though He might pee himself laughing as he shows you the door. I know I did as I read your post.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nah it wasnt meant to be a pedantic put down, or any sort of put down, its the way I talk (and type)

I am just wondering if this 'outrage' is some sort of deflection from actually admitting that you had misread the links, or even just a deflection from admitting that you had deliberately tried to steer this thread back to that so obviously non homophobic christian couple?

I suppose I could apologise, I could also call you Mr as you ask, but i wont! As I told you before respect has to be earned in my eyes and frankly you still dont cut the mustard.

respect has to be earned?

are you Ice T?

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Freedom of speech does not entitle one to yell fire, (When there is none), in a crowded theatre.

This MP should have been prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred. How dare he try and hide behind so called parliamentary privilege, which does not extend to here.

Shasown by saying what he has could be in violation of the law himself, and this could have legal repercussions on the owners of TIBB. I invite Shasown therefore to edit out his remarks before the moderators have to do it, to be in compliance with the law.

I thought the burka was about religion not RACE.........So how can it be racial hatered.......Are you suggesting religious practices should be a no go area for points of view........Are you in favour of disgusting censorship.......Apparently so...That's what religous mind sets does to society if they are allowed to get away with it.........

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

respect has to be earned?

are you Ice T?

Oooo a witty retort and it only took a little over 17 hours, I am impressed.

Of course I am not Ice T you silly thing.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

A Tory MPhas been investigated by police for alleged racial hatred after criticising the burka during a Commons debate.
Philip Hollobone described the garment as 'the religious equivalent of going around with a paper bag over your head with two holes for the eyes'.
Northamptonshire Race Equality Council, which is funded by taxpayers, complained to police.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0j694IL31


Pardon me for saying this but the tory MP is right it is like a bag over the head. Why waste money on a police investigation for that, besides it was in the commons during a debate and as such is not a police matter.

Well wot a silly nob head thing to say! It is disrespectful and shouldnt be said by an MP in the public eye, hes a twit but legal action is a bit far, a slap round his ignorant head by his party is in order...

PS might have known he'd be a Tory

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well wot a silly nob head thing to say! It is disrespectful and shouldnt be said by an MP in the public eye, hes a twit but legal action is a bit far, a slap round his ignorant head by his party is in order...

PS might have known he'd be a Tory

How is it disrespectful. Suppose a burka wearer was at a local government office and the person serving them is profoundly deaf but can lip read. What do you advise? Surely it is disresepctful of a school of religion to expect women to dress up like this, as the religion views the woman totally at fault in causing lustful thoughts in men?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

How is it disrespectful. Suppose a burka wearer was at a local government office and the person serving them is profoundly deaf but can lip read. What do you advise?

Its disrespectful to totally disregard someones beliefs and customs and make jokes about it in the public domain....Its unlikely a profoundly deaf person would be serving on the frontline like that...I think most people who wear a burkha would know when its innapropriate to wear it etc

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Its disrespectful to totally disregard someones beliefs and customs and make jokes about it in the public domain....Its unlikely a profoundly deaf person would be serving on the frontline like that...I think most people who wear a burkha would know when its innapropriate to wear it etc

Obviously then you are unaware of the local government regulations about employing disabled people.

Oh so they have a choice when to wear it and when not? Like wear it out shopping, calling into the local post office etc, but not when night clubbing etc?

Given we in the west dont like being confronted by people wearing masks etc, isnt it disrespectful to our culture to wear an item of clothing that discriminates against women?

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Its disrespectful to totally disregard someones beliefs and customs and make jokes about it in the public domain....Its unlikely a profoundly deaf person would be serving on the frontline like that...I think most people who wear a burkha would know when its innapropriate to wear it etc

The problem with regarding what people do as based on beliefs is a false one.........Beliefs so called are as a result of religious brain washing and diciplin imposed and fed into from childhood. By adult hood its too late there is no such thing as free will..The damage is done.........Nothing to do with beliefs everything to do with human religious conditioning of the young right into adulthood......

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Obviously then you are unaware of the local government regulations about employing disabled people.

Oh so they have a choice when to wear it and when not? Like wear it out shopping, calling into the local post office etc, but not when night clubbing etc?

Given we in the west dont like being confronted by people wearing masks etc, isnt it disrespectful to our culture to wear an item of clothing that discriminates against women?

Yes but some women choose to wear it and that is what "our" culture is all about, choice, freedom...yes there are women who are forced to wear it which isnt tolerable but some women buy into it and who are we to say they can't. There are situations where they wouldnt wear the full burkha ask someone that wears one....yes Im well aware of the council's disabled policy but how many deaf frontline staff have you met? Besides picking randomaly hypothetical situations is daft...lets look at the facts, are peoples lives detrimentaly affected by people in burkhas? Have you or anyone you know ever encountered problems that couldnt be solved because someone was in a burkha?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

people on this forum break the law every day with drug taking (and boast about it) but I do not recall you moaning about that

or is it that you just want to prosecute those who do not share your point of view?

I also recall you having some sympathetic views regarding the IRA, notorious law breakers and murderers but again, no comment there?

Yes, people break the law everyday, I do it myself, I have been guilty of speeding in my car and using my mobile whilst driving yes, I have also been caught using my mobile whilst driving and I had to pay the fine I was given because I broke the law, I can't see what your point here is?

And as for the IRA comment, that's a whole other argument LT which I really have no desire getting into again thanks very much.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The problem with regarding what people do as based on beliefs is a false one.........Beliefs so called are as a result of religious brain washing and diciplin imposed and fed into from childhood. By adult hood its too late there is no such thing as free will..The damage is done.........Nothing to do with beliefs everything to do with human religious conditioning of the young right into adulthood......

look if thats the way they choose to look at life and live their lives, theyre not hurting anyone and seriously when was your life affected by a burkha wearer?...only the ignorant care so whats the problem? Most religious people want to live in peace and harmony and live a good and humble life...a few dont obviously...ditto theres a few that are brainwashed...but also many that live the way they do out of choice