[Shasown]

Chinese chemical factories are planning to outsmart the British authorities by providing more "legal highs" if the Government bans mephedrone, it was reported.A Sky News investigation uncovered the chain of supply from the factories to British dealers.

The channel said it had discovered an entire new generation of chemical highs including substances such as methylone, butylone and MDPV. All of them mimic the effects of other, better known, drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy.

Posing as a potential customer, Sky News correspondent Holly Williams contacted a Shanghai-based company and was told by a worker that the company makes both mephedrone and methylone "in batches - 100 kilograms, 200 kilograms, 50 kilograms, whatever the customer wants".

The worker went on to reveal that the company already has five British customers, "two of them big ones".

She said: "One of them orders 50 to 100 kilograms a week. The other one orders 50 kilograms of mephedrone a month, and 40 kilograms of methylone."

Asked whether a British ban on mephedrone would cause problems for their business, the worker said the company was already well prepared. "We're working on five or six new legal products," she said. "Most of them come from our British customers. They told us how to make the new ones."

Toxicologist Dr John Ramsey told Sky: "We're seeing 10 or 11 new compounds every year coming out now.

"The Chinese chemical industry seems to provide anything at a price. So if somebody here orders something they'll either synthesise it or have it in stock and they'll send it regardless of what it's to be used for."

The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs is considering a ban on mephedrone, also known as M-Cat or Miaow Miaow, after it was linked to the deaths of a number of young people. Ministers are expected to receive its report on Monday.

Sky News

[Jessica.]

haha

[Stu]

It's the analogue drug age. It's a neverending battle the government wont win. Free our herb and people wont bother with this dirty crap.

If clean, pure MDMA were legal, those kids would not have died from taking Mephedrone as Mephedrone would never have been synthesized.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

It's the analogue drug age. It's a neverending battle the government wont win. Free our herb and people wont bother with this dirty crap.

If clean, pure MDMA were legal, those kids would not have died from taking Mephedrone as Mephedrone would never have been synthesized.

Thats true

However it could precipitate a knee jerk reaction and the government bring in something like the US Analogue Drug Act, which turned out to be a fluster cuck of the highest order by preventing legitimate research as well as giving lots of loopholes for the people they were trying to prosecute.

[Tom]

Simple- ban legal highs. Any form. Its obvious what they are and how you get them.

[ILoveTRW]

those cheeky chinese, what are they like

[arista]

Originally Posted by ILoveDC

those cheeky chinese, what are they like

Getting Rich
while some of the Young people that
take there junk
Die

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

Simple- ban legal highs. Any form. Its obvious what they are and how you get them.

Impossible. Unless you have a solution. How do you ban legal highs without banning ... well ... chemistry?

[Crimson Dynamo]

i would ban young people

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Impossible. Unless you have a solution. How do you ban legal highs without banning ... well ... chemistry?

By banning anything produced and sold under a product item with the intent to use as a legal high.

Meow meow isn't to be used as fertiliser, poppers isn't meant to be used as room odouriser etc ...

You can't put a blanket rule down because of the amount of loopholes, it requires more common sense if anything.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

By banning anything produced and sold under a product item with the intent to use as a legal high.

Meow meow isn't to be used as fertiliser, poppers isn't meant to be used as room odouriser etc ...

You can't put a blanket rule down because of the amount of loopholes, it requires more common sense if anything.

And what you are suggesting is a blanket rule.

You cannot ban anything with the intent to use as a legal high. That would be impossible to legislate. It's not actually a law. It's an absurd suggestion. And drinkers, smokers and glue sniffers of the world would all become criminals under it.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

And what you are suggesting is a blanket rule.

You cannot ban anything with the intent to use as a legal high. That would be impossible to legislate. It's not actually a law. It's an absurd suggestion. And drinkers, smokers and glue sniffers of the world would all become criminals under it.

Alcohol and cigarettes aren't sold as something else, so no they won't become criminals under it.

Just ban the sale of any substances (within reason) that can be used as a legal high.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

Alcohol and cigarettes aren't sold as something else, so no they won't become criminals under it.

Just ban the sale of any substances (within reason) that can be used as a legal high.

I get what your suggesting but you cannot legislate it. That's the problem. As novel as it is to suggest, and maybe you think it is something that must change, right now you cannot just draw up laws out of thin air like that. You have to ban each of the substances one by one or pass an analogue ban, carpeting over a whole clusterfuck of chemicals. You cannot just ban everything people use to get off their tits that's not called Alcohol.

[Crimson Dynamo]

bearing in mind the small number of deaths would it just not be better to spend more time on reducing the deaths due to cigs and alcohol. It is laughable that there is an outcry to "ban" this substance and yet still sell cigarettes!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

bearing in mind the small number of deaths would it just not be better to spend more time on reducing the deaths due to cigs and alcohol. It is laughable that there is an outcry to "ban" this substance and yet still sell cigarettes!

Yeah but where would the govenment find a replacement for the revenue generated by alcohol and cigarettes?

They could use legal highs, but then that would mean setting up a regulatory body, legislation to ensure purity, more departments to then investigate ...... but all that costs investments, that they arent guaranteed to get returns on in the same way they do with the licensed and taxed poisons they graciously allow us to consume.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

bearing in mind the small number of deaths would it just not be better to spend more time on reducing the deaths due to cigs and alcohol. It is laughable that there is an outcry to "ban" this substance and yet still sell cigarettes!

Zero, in fact. If I am not mistaken there is, as of yet, zero proven deaths as a direct result of Mephedrone intoxication.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

bearing in mind the small number of deaths would it just not be better to spend more time on reducing the deaths due to cigs and alcohol. It is laughable that there is an outcry to "ban" this substance and yet still sell cigarettes!

Cigarettes are legal because the British economy would go into meltdown without them because of the amount it makes the government in tax. Thats why they're phasing smoking out, so they can become less reliant on the money it produces.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Tom

Cigarettes are legal because the British economy would go into meltdown without them because of the amount it makes the government in tax. Thats why they're phasing smoking out, so they can become less reliant on the money it produces.

then as money is more important than life lets make some cash out of selling this substance to students

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

then as money is more important than life lets make some cash out of selling this substance to students

[Tom]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

then as money is more important than life lets make some cash out of selling this substance to students

You can't be reliant on money you don't have!

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Jessica..

haha

Incredible.......Exactly WHAT is funny about a killer drug being produced..........

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Incredible.......Exactly WHAT is funny about a killer drug being produced..........

What killer drug is that? (refers bananarama back to post 16 on this thread which is factually correct)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

bearing in mind the small number of deaths would it just not be better to spend more time on reducing the deaths due to cigs and alcohol. It is laughable that there is an outcry to "ban" this substance and yet still sell cigarettes!

I think this is the most sensible post I have ever seen you make to be honest.

Media goes into meltdown because of a couple of deaths, which they cant even prove were directly due to the drug (which is kind of like saying I ate a chocolate bar while crossing the road and got knocked over, it was the chocolate bars fault). Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of deaths are caused by something the government makes a sh*tload of money out of, these should be ignored, because the goverment is benefitting from it.

Of course it would be more practical to spend more on getting people off drink and tabs, but they will not do that, as money is more important than peoples lives...but they have to be seen to be doing something, so they focus on the couple of high profile deaths that have hit the papers recently. Honestly...more people are killed by falling coconuts than by this, whats next? Ban coconuts?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How very true Leather though I dont suppose you should really award it to yourself