[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Questioning where the first elements of matter came from was the creator argument I was reffering to.

it wasn't really my argument is what I mean, I just meant by it that because nobody really knows where they came from then I can understand why some people could believe it. I personally don't know either way.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

I would be interested to know of what evidence you have that God does NOT exist. Down all the centuries since time immemorial nobody has definitively proved OR disproved the existence of God.

Angus, i'd rather not pray blindly, put all my hopes and dreams in to something that may or may not exist. That seems illogical does it not? And don't bother trying to throw Pascal's Wager at me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by angus58

I would be interested to know of what evidence you have that God does NOT exist. Down all the centuries since time immemorial nobody has definitively proved OR disproved the existence of God.

Yes, that's what I (badly) was trying to say Stu ^^^ sorry for stealing your far more understandable post angus hehe

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Angus, i'd rather not pray blindly, put all my hopes and dreams in to something that may or may not exist. That seems illogical does it not? And don't bother trying to throw Pascal's Wager at me.

I wouldn't presume to do so, but personally I would take it, being the pragmatist that I am.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

I wouldn't presume to do so, but personally I would take it, being the pragmatist that I am.

Well what if you picked the wrong god?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well what if you picked the wrong god?

I've never been a fan of the concept of polytheism - it makes little sense to me to delegate creation to a myriad assortment of individual gods of this and gods of that. Logic dictates there is always someone (or something) ultimately in charge!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well what if you picked the wrong god?

Why does there have to be a wrong and a right to belief? Maybe "god" doesnt care anyway.

[Angus]

[QUOTE=Stu;3188621]It's not up to us to prove a negative. Think of Russell's teapot. You could believe like a muppet in virtually anything and defend it using that abysmal argument. Can you disprove that space wolves sporting AK-47's are orbiting Pluto on the back of Cheetahs?


I beg to differ. If you are going to categorically deny the existence of God then you MUST come up with some convincing evidence for that stance. That is the nature of science. It is not enough just to say "I don't believe". I am entitled to ask you "why?" Or perhaps you just have FAITH that there is no god, in which case you are in the same boat as those that believe there most definitely IS a God. If so, just say so, but please do not put forward your personal opinion of the non existence of God as if it is a fact, when it is not backed up by any definitive evidence.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

I've never been a fan of the concept of polytheism - it makes little sense to me to delegate creation to a myriad assortment of individual gods of this and gods of that. Logic dictates there is always someone (or something) ultimately in charge!

Monotheism is not anymore logical than polytheism.

Originally Posted by Shasown

Why does there have to be a wrong and a right to belief? Maybe "god" doesnt care anyway.

Because the basis of most religions is that their God is the truth. It's just facts, not wrong or right.

[Stu]

[QUOTE=angus58;3189010]

Originally Posted by Stu

It's not up to us to prove a negative. Think of Russell's teapot. You could believe like a muppet in virtually anything and defend it using that abysmal argument. Can you disprove that space wolves sporting AK-47's are orbiting Pluto on the back of Cheetahs?


I beg to differ. If you are going to categorically deny the existence of God then you MUST come up with some convincing evidence for that stance. That is the nature of science. It is not enough just to say "I don't believe". I am entitled to ask you "why?" Or perhaps you just have FAITH that there is no god, in which case you are in the same boat as those that believe there most definitely IS a God. If so, just say so, but please do not put forward your personal opinion of the non existence of God as if it is a fact, when it is not backed up by any definitive evidence.

I don't believe in God but I do believe that a transexual magician named The Sensual Frankie Dynamo , who is invisible, visits me in my dreams from a distant star system.

You can't disprove it lol.

[Angus]

[QUOTE=Stu;3189037]

Originally Posted by angus58

I don't believe in God but I do believe that a transexual magician named The Sensual Frankie Dynamo , who is invisible, visits me in my dreams from a distant star system.

You can't disprove it lol.

But I don't wish to disprove it since your personal belief does not impact on me in any way, shape or form.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by angus58

But I don't wish to disprove it since your personal belief does not impact on me in any way, shape or form.

Who needs god when you can dodge bullets like that.

Talk about hair splitting.

[Angus]

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Originally Posted by angus58
I've never been a fan of the concept of polytheism - it makes little sense to me to delegate creation to a myriad assortment of individual gods of this and gods of that. Logic dictates there is always someone (or something) ultimately in charge!

Monotheism is not anymore logical than polytheism.


I did state that it made no sense to ME, since my belief system is irrevocably informed by my background, life experiences, intellect and exposure to other belief systems, so it is inevitable that what makes sense to ME may not necessarily float your boat. It is the nature of human beings to attempt to make sense of the world around them and it is hardly surprising that the infinitessimal amount of variables that affect human thought processes will often result in diametrically opposed viewpoints on every subject under the
sun. Vive la difference!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

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Originally Posted by angus58
I've never been a fan of the concept of polytheism - it makes little sense to me to delegate creation to a myriad assortment of individual gods of this and gods of that. Logic dictates there is always someone (or something) ultimately in charge!

Monotheism is not anymore logical than polytheism.


I did state that it made no sense to ME, since my belief system is irrevocably informed by my background, life experiences, intellect and exposure to other belief systems, so it is inevitable that what makes sense to ME may not necessarily float your boat. It is the nature of human beings to attempt to make sense of the world around them and it is hardly surprising that the infinitessimal amount of variables that affect human thought processes will often result in diametrically opposed viewpoints on every subject under the
sun. Vive la difference!

You're a Christian right?

[Angus]

I do not believe in organised religion despite being brought up as a Roman Catholic and I see no point in rituals, ceremonies, or a clerical hierarchy which puts other men in the way of my commune with God (if there is one). I suppose you could say I live my life according to one principle "Do unto others as you would be done by" which I think just about covers all bases. This principle is not unique to Christianity, so I would answer that I tend to favour the concept of there being a God, but I am not a Christian per se.

[InOne]

Ahhh right, fair enough.

[Jords]

Karma needs to bite where it hurts to some members on here, seriously, they do not have a clue.

- leaves -

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

Karma needs to bite where it hurts to some members on here, seriously, they do not have a clue.

- leaves -

What an excellent, coherent reply to the arguments posted.

I'm sorry, but I can't help but sound pretentious when I'm talking to someone like you. Continue on in sunshine land where everyone is of equal intelligence.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Stu

What an excellent, coherent reply to the arguments posted.

I'm sorry, but I can't help but sound pretentious when I'm talking to someone like you. Continue on in sunshine land where everyone is of equal intelligence.

Stu are you by any chance saying that there may be people of very low intelligence on this site?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Stu

Who needs god when you can dodge bullets like that.

Talk about hair splitting.

No it is you who are being disingenuous since the existence of a transexual magician named The Sensual Frankie Dynamo who is invisible is not of interest or concern to the billions on this planet since you, and only you,(so far as we are aware) are the recipient of his nocturnal visits (though I wonder how you know, since he is invisible?).

Whereas the existence or not of God has been, is, and will probably continue to be the most debated philosophical conundrum on the planet.

[30stone]

My gosh, is there one thread on this forum today where arguments dont start??!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Stu are you by any chance saying that there may be people of very low intelligence on this site?

Originally Posted by angus58

No it is you who are being disingenuous since the existence of a transexual magician named The Sensual Frankie Dynamo who is invisible is not of interest or concern to the billions on this planet since you, and only you,(so far as we are aware) are the recipient of his nocturnal visits (though I wonder how you know, since he is invisible?).

Whereas the existence or not of God has been, is, and will probably continue to be the most debated philosophical conundrum on the planet.

Nothing to do with anything. The popularity of God versus Frankie has nothing to do with validity as a theory. Their is an equal lack of proof against the existence of both. Basically, you could make up an infinite number of absurd ideas in your head that would be suject to this appaling 'well there is no proof it doesn't exist lol!'.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by 30stone

My gosh, is there one thread on this forum today where arguments dont start??!

None if it is real, all the arguments are simply to keep the staff on their toes.

Call it a Staff Training Exercise to get you back up to speed for when BB11 starts.

Its been carefully orchestrated to get the best out of you.

[Lucy.]

How does every thread on this forum result in arguements :O
I thought opinions wern't meant to cause conflict Lmao.
But anyway - I don't believe in Karma, it justs makes no sense to me.
Like if it was true surely good people would have everything turn out right for them
and vice versa but it just doesn't seem to work like that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by 30stone

My gosh, is there one thread on this forum today where arguments dont start??!

***** you!