[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Well good, and yeah, the boys do deserve punishment, though I think the boy who was nearly killed has had enough punishment

Meh. I think he has if he actually learns a lesson from it. Physical violence doesn't always change people's thought processes, if his desire to act that way is imbrained in him a near death experience isn't likely to change that. He needs therapy.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by InOne

It is a combination of both with extreme cases i'd say. But there is always something different in there from the very start. It's more than just a personality disorder. I guess the upbringing most likely determines if they will turn out violent or not.

Well yeah, it was an extreme case I was referring to. Kids will be kids, but in the case of this story, they went way too far. Although I do not condone what the teacher did, he obviously snapped after years of putting up with this. It's not an exclusive case. People have thresholds. I don't think he pre-planned it. That's why we have murder and manslaughter.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Well yeah, it was an extreme case I was referring to. Kids will be kids, but in the case of this story, they went way too far. Although I do not condone what the teacher did, he obviously snapped after years of putting up with this. It's not an exclusive case. People have thresholds. I don't think he pre-planned it. That's why we have murder and manslaughter.

I agree totally. In reality, that teacher will probably feel absoloutly awful for what's he done. Everyone does things in the heat of the moment. I don't think any of us can really judge how he felt without having experiencd it.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Who wants a bit of Sexual Education?

Yes please but could you wear those glossy black holdups as well.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Well yeah, it was an extreme case I was referring to. Kids will be kids, but in the case of this story, they went way too far. Although I do not condone what the teacher did, he obviously snapped after years of putting up with this. It's not an exclusive case. People have thresholds. I don't think he pre-planned it. That's why we have murder and manslaughter.

Very much so. And it wasmost likely subconsciously building up, a 'moment of madness' kinda thing. I'm not saying I understand the pressures of teaching or anything but I know it must be pretty hard, especially with what some of the teachers put up with when I was at school. Kids do target teachers they think are a soft touch and do get off on making their lessons hell. Obviously it's wrong the way the teacher reacted, but I doubt he's a bad man or anything.

[Mrluvaluva]

There's a lot of info in the original thread I posted on the first page. The teacher had only returned to work, weeks before this happened, after suffering a stroke brought on by stress.

[Shasown]

Extreme stress can make people react in very different ways, some commit suicide, others work against it and cope becoming stronger, others still lash out at what they perceive the protagonists of the stress, in this case the youth who he blamed as the ringleader of the bullies.

I just feel lucky I have never been in that sort of situation nor felt the need to react to that sort of provocation. Who knows how anyone would react. Needless to say there will be the usual calls for a full inquiry into the school and local education authority, stress managements programs for teachers etc. But once again nothing will be done about the poor little children.

[BB_Eye]

He should have strangled that crying, whinging bitch who stormed out.

[BB_Eye]

In all seriousness though, I completely sympathise with his situation, but personally I blame the useless parents of the sorts of vermin that pass for secondary school pupils these days more than the education system although the tail is very much wagging the dog in that department too.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

but I also think the little sh**ts involved should be expelled from the school!

Do you honestly think they'd care about that?

More like they should be expelled from anywhere that puts a roof over their head.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

she left the profession because of the behaviour of youngsters today - it is common knowledge what many are like!

I completely agree. I know about people who have been driven to quit the profession because the students have been so atrrocious that it's been made physically and mentally unbearable for the staff. It's disgusting it really is.
We have a maths teacher at school who is bullied so badly, she breaks down in the middle of lessons.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Hark at the prosecuters trying to prove that it was with intent - don't believe that for a minute - he just lost control! Teenagers, particularly those today, who are more spoilt and allowed to get away with a lot more - can be absolute sh**ts - and as someone previously mentioned, I am surprised it doesn't happen more often! I have a cousin who is a French teacher - and she left the profession because of the behaviour of youngsters today - it is common knowledge what many are like!

That said - I, of course, don't approve of his actions - and he has to bear the consequences of that, whatever they may be - but I also think the little sh**ts involved should be expelled from the school!

I remember when my son was in junior school, a boy was expelled for bringing a knife into school and threatening his teacher. His reward? A private tutor, and bags of time off to roam around the streets causing trouble, then hanging round the school gates at home time and intimidating the same kids he had bullied in school?

[Lucy.]

To me, nowadays being a teacher sounds less enjoyable than working in waste disposal.
You get more **** from the kids!

[*mazedsalv**]

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

I was one of those students when I was between the age of 12-14. I guess if i went to that school i would be dead. The pupils did go too far but other punishments would have been much better.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

No one is saying it is a suitable punishment. Just that the pupils in that classroom are total vermin who deserve zero sympathy.

[zotler.]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

I was one of those students when I was between the age of 12-14. I guess if i went to that school i would be dead. The pupils did go too far but other punishments would have been much better.

Considering that most schools tolerate a "no physical violence" policy, yes, another punishment would've been better suited. At my school, if were to do something like that, we would get an extremely long period of isolation, where we have to sit in a room on our own to do classwork. (Yeah, I suppose this is an EXTREME case) It's usually quite affective. Honestly, if you can't handle the fact that some children WILL try to piss you off, then you're not suited to be a teacher.
I think the easier it is to get on a teacher's nerves, the more the students will try do it. My Statistics teacher gets pissed off really easily, so most people act up in her lesson and it ends up consisting of her sending people out, threatening to give detentions and send yellow/red cards home.
I also notice how the generally nice teachers don't seem to get much trouble, at least, not in my lessons.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

I was one of those students when I was between the age of 12-14. I guess if i went to that school i would be dead. The pupils did go too far but other punishments would have been much better.

Personally, as I have said already in this thread, I do not condone his actions. Most rational people would either have shouted at him, or even throw a board duster (if they still exist). The teacher obviously had issues, and he snapped, due to continuous provocation. "People are going to die" are not the words of a rational man. He had only been back at school a few weeks after suffering a stroke brought on by stress. These kids full well knew this, and yet still continued berating him.

The boy obviously did not deserve his ordeal, but he had a part to play in this. It's unfortunately one of those incidents when the brain goes haywire. We can all understand how we lose our temper, and become irrational sometimes, just not on this scale.

The kids still need to be punished. The problem will not go away without some form of discipline.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

How can people even defend the teachers actions?? Most 14 years old do stuff like that, around 90% or more i would say, so your saying that this is suitable? Ohh yeah sure, most students would be dead by now if you think thats a stuitable punishment.

Chucking out a girl for playing with blinds, WTF and hitting a student with 3kg weights. ****ing psycho.

I was one of those students when I was between the age of 12-14. I guess if i went to that school i would be dead. The pupils did go too far but other punishments would have been much better.

Actually no, it's not true that most 14 year olds do "stuff like that" - there are far more that actually would like the chance to learn something but are prevented from doing so by moronic attention-seeking 14 yr olds, acting like 5year olds.

[karezza]

Peter Harvey is a typical teacher - he can't teach, he hates his job & he doesn't like children.

[arista]

Peter Harvey walked
free from Court today.


The Judge confirmed he will get a Community Service Order soon.


BREAKING NEWS: Teacher who attacked pupil with dumb bell
in science class cleared of attempted murder

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0mVR8oxuP

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by arista

Peter Harvey walked
free from Court today.


The Judge confirmed he will get a Community Service Order soon.


BREAKING NEWS: Teacher who attacked pupil with dumb bell
in science class cleared of attempted murder

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0mVR8oxuP

I've just seen that on the news

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

Peter Harvey walked
free from Court today.


The Judge confirmed he will get a Community Service Order soon.


BREAKING NEWS: Teacher who attacked pupil with dumb bell
in science class cleared of attempted murder

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0mVR8oxuP

Good. I'm glad the jury saw both sides.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by angus58

Actually no, it's not true that most 14 year olds do "stuff like that" - there are far more that actually would like the chance to learn something but are prevented from doing so by moronic attention-seeking 14 yr olds, acting like 5year olds.

Everyone I know acted up at that age, not even one person would want to learn at that age. Its all about other stuff that we found more important. I and my friends would never take education seriously at that age and that is the general feeling of the schools around the London area... but there are SOME 14 year olds who would like to study but thats in different areas.

Even an intelligent kid who loved education would at some point during this age misbehave, its puberty. 14 year olds think that everything is more important that education. Thank God I and all i know got our heads together when we reached 16 and all acchieved good grades.

Even some of my teatchers say it. They said to me, they would gladly reject teaching a class of Year 9's (13-14 year olds) but would love to teach 16+.

I was attention seeking at that age and was a chav, its a phase, most get out of it by the time you reach the age of 16.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

Everyone I know acted up at that age, not even one person would want to learn at that age. Its all about other stuff that we found more important. I and my friends would never take education seriously at that age and that is the general feeling of the schools around the London area... but there are SOME 14 year olds who would like to study but thats in different areas.

Even an intelligent kid who loved education would at some point during this age misbehave, its puberty. 14 year olds think that everything is more important that education. Thank God I and all i know got our heads together when we reached 16 and all acchieved good grades.

Even some of my teatchers say it. They said to me, they would gladly reject teaching a class of Year 9's (13-14 year olds) but would love to teach 16+.

I was attention seeking at that age and was a chav, its a phase, most get out of it by the time you reach the age of 16.

Again I repeat you are in the minority, but it only takes a selfish minority of attention seeking, disruptive kids to ruin the education of others. If such kids want to push a teacher's buttons, they will eventually get a reaction such as this because, believe it or not, teachers are human beings not robots with no feelings.

I'm glad commonsense prevailed in dealing with this man who clearly had a breakdown, something his school must have been aware was on the cards in view of his previous medical history.

[Mrluvaluva]

Glad about this. Was just reading the article regarding him being spared a jail sentence.


"The boy gave evidence during the trial via video-link from a room in the court building.

Rex Tedd QC, defending, put it to him in cross-examination that he regularly disrupted lessons.

Mr Tedd said: 'On nine occasions in the last year you deliberately disrupted the teaching of your class. Can you remember anything about that?'

'No,' replied the boy.

'My suggestion is that youwere a leading light in the trouble that took place in that class.'

'No,' repeated the teenager.

The barrister said: 'You're saying you cannot remember any of the trouble that took place in that classroom?'

'No,' the boy said."


How convenient.