[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The only way I'll accept the Tories running things is if they've got the Libdems holding their hands so we don't get a repeat of the 80's.

Well said Dezzy i totally agree with you on this one, i really cant stand the Tories, but if they go into collision(SP) with Lib Dems, the Tories will have to listen to some of there policy(SP) so it wont be a whole Tory goverment, like the 80s.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

It doesn't alter the fact that Labour LOST the election. If the best that Labour have got is Milliband or Harman, then I don't think the Tories will be quaking in their boots!

I dunno, the public had no faith in Brown rather then Labour and I think Conservatives would struggle to mantain their position if someone like Milliband takes over who from what I gather is meant to be quite a popular choice from within the party. The thing is even with a lack of faith in Labour there was still only a few seats in it, the Conservatives only got as many as they did because they were the alternate choice to Brown.

Unless the Tories go against character and manage to keep the lower classes satisfied then they won't remain at 10 for long I think.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Yeah him and Nick Clegg would be worth a shag!

it hasn't come to that has it? :P

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I agree, we need restructuring a lot more then we need cuts. The problem with cutting the budget is that it won't solve the problem of Dole dossers, it'll only limit the money for people who legitimately need it. With restructuring though processes and methods could be put in place to weed out the undeserving and then maybe cuts can be applied IF it can be afforded.

This is what I don't understand about New Labour - they have had 13 years in which to address this very problem and yet they have done nothing constructive, in fact they have demonised and penalised soft targets like the disabled, making them jump through hoops for help. They have done little to combat fraud and abuse of the system because they have lost track of how many illegal immigrants our lax border controls have allowed into this country to claim benefits under false names. Instead Labour's answer is to just keep borrowing more and more money to throw at the problem.

[ange7]

Milliband new pm in 12 months
I called it!

[ange7]

Originally Posted by arista

No I Respect Him


Embrace means Welcome in a Warm Way


I guess Down Under its all
' Hey Shirley get the Barbie on you dog'

Your in a New Nation we put the
Criminals of Our Empire down there
you must come from something close to that in some way.


Bliss.

"' Hey Shirley get the Barbie on you dog'"
maahahaha

and in the UK it's
"aww immigrants are taking my job ... that I never ever had nor would know what to do with". :P

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I dunno, the public had no faith in Brown rather then Labour and I think Conservatives would struggle to mantain their position if someone like Milliband takes over who from what I gather is meant to be quite a popular choice from within the party. The thing is even with a lack of faith in Labour there was still only a few seats in it, the Conservatives only got as many as they did because they were the alternate choice to Brown.

Unless the Tories go against character and manage to keep the lower classes satisfied then they won't remain at 10 for long I think.

No, the Lib/Dems were also a choice but they, too, didn't do well since the GBP clearly voted for a party that was NOT just a watered down version of New Labour. As for the Oxbridge graduate Milliband, he might well be a popular choice WITHIN the party, cos let's face it they haven't many to choose from have they, but that doesn't necessarily translate into votes with the GBP.

As for keeping the "lower classes" satisfied, weren't Labour supposed to be doing that and look where it got them on polling day? These days everybody is aspirational and certainly don't view themselves as the "lower" classes. I might be working class, but I am NOT lower class, and I completely espouse Tory ideology of self reliance, independence and aspiration, not the New Labour ideology of reliance on the state, and abdication of responsibility for oneself to others.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ange7

"' Hey Shirley get the Barbie on you dog'"
maahahaha

and in the UK it's
"aww immigrants are taking my job ... that I never ever had nor would know what to do with". :P

That was the New Dead Labour Way
that made a mess of Illegal Migrants.


So it is Good that New Dead Labour
will be gone.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

No, the Lib/Dems were also a choice but they, too, didn't do well since the GBP clearly voted for a party that was NOT just a watered down version of New Labour. As for the Oxbridge graduate Milliband, he might well be a popular choice WITHIN the party, cos let's face it they haven't many to choose from have they, but that doesn't necessarily translate into votes with the GBP.

I can guarantee you that if Brown wasn't in charge Labour would have probably won outright. The UK doesn't like change, why do you think we had Thatcher and Blair for so long? The Conservatives won purely on them being the only realistic alternative to Brown and I'd bet money that if the next Labour leader is decent then they'll be back in power by the next election.

Even with the Brown effect in full flow the Tories couldn't get an outright victory so that's more telling then anything I can say really.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can guarantee you that if Brown wasn't in charge Labour would have probably won outright. The UK doesn't like change, why do you think we had Thatcher and Blair for so long? The Conservatives won purely on them being the only realistic alternative to Brown and I'd bet money that if the next Labour leader is decent then they'll be back in power by the next election.

Even with the Brown effect in full flow the Tories couldn't get an outright victory so that's more telling then anything I can say really.

Oh, I agree with you, the choice of leader is crucial to any party, since he or she is the figurehead and the entire party is judged (rightly or wrongly) on how the public perceive the leader. However, I have to disagree with you about Labour being back in power again anytime soon because I believe that now most of the GBP have realised the mess we are in is all down to them.

[arista]

"I'd bet money that if the next Labour leader is decent "


Dezzy it could even be worse
like Man Hater Harmen

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

Oh, I agree with you, the choice of leader is crucial to any party, since he or she is the figurehead and the entire party is judged (rightly or wrongly) on how the public perceive the leader. However, I have to disagree with you about Labour being back in power again anytime soon because I believe that now most of the GBP have realised the mess we are in is all down to them.

The problem is though is that the Tories won't be able to keep it up, they divide opinion too much. They've only got the one seat in Scotland and everywhere else is divided while Labour managed to do quite well considering, generally it has a bigger voting target audience but Brown is what stopped them being elected again.

Old habbits die hard, unless the Tories defy expectation and do really well then they'll struggle when the next election comes around since Labour will be under new leadership. If I'm honest I don't want either in charge but the general public are too predictable.

I'm just hoping the LibDems get a great deal and do what they can before the coalition breaks down.

[arista]

"before the coalition "


Dezzy you Guess and Dream to much.


We still do not know what the Deal is yet.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

"before the coalition "


Dezzy you Guess and Dream to much.


We still do not know what the Deal is yet.

Let's face it Cameron will want to take the majority in any way he can and the only way that's gonna happen is with a coalition because a minority government wouldn't be in his favour if another election is called. He'll want to take control and earn the public's favour properly as he has relied on trashing Gordon Brown as his main election tactic rather then anything else.

I'd say something about you Aristabot but there's too much I wouldn't know where to begin so how about instead you go and make sure you're Firewall is upto scratch. We don't want you catching any malware now do we?

[arista]

"Let's face it Cameron will want to take the majority in any way he can"

Dezzy this is in the interest of the UK Public.
Dave and Nick are acting like Presidents.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

"Let's face it Cameron will want to take the majority in any way he can"

Dezzy this is in the interest of the UK Public.
Dave and Nick are acting like Presidents.

Yeah and it's in the best interest for the UK to have a mjaority government where actions can be carried out easily.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yeah and it's in the best interest for the UK to have a mjaority government where actions can be carried out easily.

Yes For Sure


Thats why New Dead Labour are not wanted.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can guarantee you that if Brown wasn't in charge Labour would have probably won outright. The UK doesn't like change, why do you think we had Thatcher and Blair for so long? The Conservatives won purely on them being the only realistic alternative to Brown and I'd bet money that if the next Labour leader is decent then they'll be back in power by the next election.

Even with the Brown effect in full flow the Tories couldn't get an outright victory so that's more telling then anything I can say really.

Wow, do you really believe that Dezzy? Take over those labour tinted glasses and look at the real truth. The last election the conservatives didnt have effective leadership, they were still a party divided.

This time round people see Labour as the wicked witch of the west. Thats why they lost their sizeable majority.

[Mark]

Englands future lies with this man.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Mark

Englands future lies with this man.

So down the toilet then?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by ange7

it hasn't come to that has it? :P

[Mark]

Election 2010: What do you Want?

43%
Labour & Lib Dem

24%
Tory & Lib Dems/DUP

33%
Another General Election

Facebook poll with 700,000 votes. Cameron was nothing more than an anti-Brown vote.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mark

Englands future lies with this man.

Mark are you saying One Eyed Scottish Brown is gone soon,
as for New Dead Labour
they may prefer many others like Alan Johnson,
since your choice does not want it yet.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mark

Election 2010: What do you Want?

43%
Labour & Lib Dem

24%
Tory & Lib Dems/DUP

33%
Another General Election

Facebook poll with 700,000 votes. Cameron was nothing more than an anti-Brown vote.

Lab-Lib Not enough seats.
so many can not do Maths.


Sign Of The Times.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Mark

Election 2010: What do you Want?

43%
Labour & Lib Dem

24%
Tory & Lib Dems/DUP

33%
Another General Election

Facebook poll with 700,000 votes. Cameron was nothing more than an anti-Brown vote.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes the drubbing of Labour easier to bear.