[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by teamandre

Why is the baby a problem here?
its because of all them self centerd s**gs out there that think it is okay to get rid of a human life you do the crime you do the time its simple the child in side of the person has doen nothing wrong

One girl I know got pregnant after some one-night stand with some soldier she didn't even know.
Turned out he was married with children and a wife beater anyways,
but,
despite having nearly nothing for income and her own health problems she had a healthy little girl.
She loves it.
Sure it's difficult too and she doesn't go club hopping anymore because she loves being mummy taking her girl to school each morning.
Good kid too.. really bright cheerful little girl with a happy demeanor. Going to be a smart one too you can tell.

Anyways, there is the other side for those selfish people - children can bring them a lot of joy and fun and good feelings.
They talk like having a child is a problem and is going to hurt their feelings and they will lose happiness.
no.
They may very well become much happier, more mature, more confident, more fulfilled teenage moms with more laughs, smiles, and joys because of the child.

But you are right - almost always it is pure selfishness and people who don't feel they have any responsibility to their actions.
Thats what I heard anyways

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

One girl I know got pregnant after some one-night stand with some soldier she didn't even know.
Turned out he was married with children and a wife beater anyways,
but,
despite having nearly nothing for income and her own health problems she had a healthy little girl.
She loves it.
Sure it's difficult too and she doesn't go club hopping anymore because she loves being mummy taking her girl to school each morning.
Good kid too.. really bright cheerful little girl with a happy demeanor. Going to be a smart one too you can tell.

Anyways, there is the other side for those selfish people - children can bring them a lot of joy and fun and good feelings.
They talk like having a child is a problem and is going to hurt their feelings and they will lose happiness.
no.
They may very well become much happier, more mature, more confident, more fulfilled teenage moms with more laughs, smiles, and joys because of the child.

But you are right - almost always it is pure selfishness and people who don't feel they have any responsibility to their actions.
Thats what I heard anyways

Would you say the same if men were the ones left holding the baby!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Would you say the same if men were the ones left holding the baby!

I am referring to the men and the women here.

I really did know of a man left holding the baby. I mean we are talking almost immediately. I seem to recall there was actual problems with replacing the breast feeding (which he obviously could not do),
and,
yes, he was absolutely a father and just fully invested and psyched and had all these exciting plans for the kids.

I'd like to know what you make of the male who is not holding the baby (inside) when it comes to these adverts?
Is he informed?
does he get any say in the baby's life or death here?
Why not?
Will anyone stop 'controlling him' by withholding information about where he can go for the psychological trauma he may experience upon finding out his baby was killed?
What about him waking up in night terrors of his mutilated baby wanting Daddy to protect it?

What is your take on this - where do fathers rights come into this and why is the advert only about the mother and what she wants and doesn't want for herself?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I am referring to the men and the women here.

I really did know of a man left holding the baby. I mean we are talking almost immediately. I seem to recall there was actual problems with replacing the breast feeding (which he obviously could not do),
and,
yes, he was absolutely a father and just fully invested and psyched and had all these exciting plans for the kids.

I'd like to know what you make of the male who is not holding the baby (inside) when it comes to these adverts?
Is he informed?
does he get any say in the baby's life or death here?
Why not?
Will anyone stop 'controlling him' by withholding information about where he can go for the psychological trauma he may experience upon finding out his baby was killed?
What about him waking up in night terrors of his mutilated baby wanting Daddy to protect it?

What is your take on this - where do fathers rights come into this and why is the advert only about the mother and what she wants and doesn't want for herself?

Although I understand your point that in an ideal world the man should have a say - but the woman has to have the bigger say - as it is, as you say, her body that has to give birth and take the necessary health risks! There simply is no way round that! You can't cater for the wishes of both - if they disagree!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Although I understand your point that in an ideal world the man should have a say - but the woman has to have the bigger say - as it is, as you say, her body that has to give birth and take the necessary health risks! There simply is no way round that! You can't cater for the wishes of both - if they disagree!

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

That is why men should 'use one' - especially when indulging in a 10 minute knee trembler! As they know they can have no say in whether the woman decides to keep any resulting baby - they have to be extra cautious in protecting themselves and not spreading their seed if they don't want it spread! Common sense - isn't it!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That is why men should 'use one' - especially when indulging in a 10 minute knee trembler! As they know they can have no say in whether the woman decides to keep any resulting baby - they have to be extra cautious in protecting themselves and not spreading their seed if they don't want it spread! Common sense - isn't it!

Some men do use them and as you said earlier no method of contraception is 100%

And doesnt the same argument fall back on the woman after all it is her body and if she doesnt want to be inseminated (and possibly infected) shouldnt she insist on him wearing something even if she is on the pill/coil/injection?

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Of course it will always be that way because it is the womans body, but what about cases where the woman wants to keep the baby but the man doesnt want or need the financial commitment.

Shouldn't the man have the right to insist on the woman having an abortion? That would be equal rights wouldnt it? After all the woman decides to go through with the pregnancy the man may resent the child as being an unneccessary financial burden. Why should he have to have 18 years of direct debits for a simple 10 minute(if he was lucky) knee trembler at the back of a nighclub?

I pretty much agree with this, especially in cases where women might abuse the system, refuse the pill and have children for the sole purpose of gaining child support money. More often than not, if one party is forced to take on the responsibility of the child against their will, the child will have to live with the consequences.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I pretty much agree with this, especially in cases where women might abuse the system, refuse the pill and have children for the sole purpose of gaining child support money. More often than not, if one party is forced to take on the responsibility of the child against their will, the child will have to live with the consequences.

Shouldn't knowing that some women do that - make men more cautious - and insist on putting the jacket on - especially when having casual sex!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

One girl I know got pregnant after some one-night stand with some soldier she didn't even know.
Turned out he was married with children and a wife beater anyways,
but,
despite having nearly nothing for income and her own health problems she had a healthy little girl.
She loves it.
Sure it's difficult too and she doesn't go club hopping anymore because she loves being mummy taking her girl to school each morning.
Good kid too.. really bright cheerful little girl with a happy demeanor. Going to be a smart one too you can tell.

Anyways, there is the other side for those selfish people - children can bring them a lot of joy and fun and good feelings.
They talk like having a child is a problem and is going to hurt their feelings and they will lose happiness.
no.
They may very well become much happier, more mature, more confident, more fulfilled teenage moms with more laughs, smiles, and joys because of the child.
But you are right - almost always it is pure selfishness and people who don't feel they have any responsibility to their actions.
Thats what I heard anyways

And what if they don't! Do young girls not have the right to a quality of life! We all make careless mistakes when we are young - why should young girls be expected to pay such a hefty price for theirs! An unwanted child is a hugh, life-long responsibility! Not to mention the child has a right to be born into a loving home! It could turn out to be a nightmare for both!