[Scarlett.]

History says yes, humans have always been at war with each other, sticks and stones, spears and bows, guns and bombs, humans arent meant to be at peace, and the only thing that would stop us fighting one another is fighting something else.

What do you think?

[Claymores]

Only if twonks as arista talk sherbert

['Conor]

at some part of the world, humans will ALWAYS be at war

[Shaun]

Probs.

[InOne]

Yes.

[Captain.Remy]

It's in the Human nature to feel threatened, jealous and worried. The world is too different for people to live peacefully.
I actually think we went from a "culture" focussed battle which was more about convincing each other what they believe in is the best to a more "financial" battle which consists of having the most resources to get further.
If you take pretty much all the wars since the WW II (may I add this one was both cultural and financial focussed), they've been financially focussed (Kuwait, Iraq....).

Wars' reasons are meant to change, the rules tend to change. As for now, money is all that matters and it will keep dividing people for a very long time. When money won't be the purpose of wars, then it will be something else etc...

[Lewis.]

Yeah. We're the most powerful things on the planet and people tend to fight for that power. I think that the only thing that could pull everyone together would be another alien species invading - which in my opinion, is highly unlikely.

[setanta]

Of course. Wish I was a Dolphin or something. Far more intelligent than us. You know, that would be hilarious - if an alien visits our planet but just wants to talk to other species on the planet rather than us.

[Lewis.]

Originally Posted by setanta

Of course. Wish I was a Dolphin or something. Far more intelligent than us. You know, that would be hilarious - if an alien visits our planet but just wants to talk to other species on the planet rather than us.

Yeah just thought of us as animals and ignored us yapping on at them I could just imagine Barack Obama going up to communicate with them and the alien just throwing a stick and shouting "Catch"

[WOMBAI]

Yes - it is the nature of the beast I'm afraid!

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Lewis.

Yeah just thought of us as animals and ignored us yapping on at them I could just imagine Barack Obama going up to communicate with them and the alien just throwing a stick and shouting "Catch"

If I were an alien and had a quick gander at what we're doing to the planet I'd just say to my crew, "right, turn back. They're obviously morons!"

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Yes - it is the nature of the beast I'm afraid!

As Thomas Hobbes would say: "Man is man's wolf." (or actually according to Plautus: "Homo homini lupus")

Pretty much says it all right ?

[Lewis.]

Originally Posted by setanta

If I were an alien and had a quick gander at what we're doing to the planet I'd just say to my crew, "right, turn back. They're obviously morons!"

Yeah

"Guys - We're heading to the loony bin - Make a quick turn!"

[Smithy]

If you want piece you must prepare for war

[ILoveTRW]

there will always be war until everyone realises no religion is better than any other

[Callum]

Yes it's inevitable sadly

[Stu]

Not a lot of optimist here.

War could fade out with evolution. Who knows how that will go. Maybe the good guys will win out for once and everyone will know peace.

The worlds messed up right now and somethings gotta give.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Stu

Not a lot of optimist here.

War could fade out with evolution. Who knows how that will go. Maybe the good guys will win out for once and everyone will know peace.

The worlds messed up right now and somethings gotta give.

Right, I have to get you off the Scooby snacks and stop you from listening to the Age of Aquarius immediately.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Chewy

History says yes, humans have always been at war with each other, sticks and stones, spears and bows, guns and bombs, humans arent meant to be at peace, and the only thing that would stop us fighting one another is fighting something else.

What do you think?

I took a course on the last 4,000 years of Chinese history and the most depressing thing of all is the ongoing never-ending cycles of wars. No matter what happens.
Even if an 'outside threat' did bring them together that didn't take long before they subdivided and started warring again.
It's depressing.

It really is one of the most remarkable things about human beings with never any 'lesson learned' and we will just carry on like this just as we have for the last 5000 years or so.

[bananarama]

No humans won't always be at war because there will be a final war that wipes us all out..........

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by bananarama

No humans won't always be at war because there will be a final war that wipes us all out..........

Too true. St. Johns Apocalypse really makes sense - there will have to be some kind of massive global 'elimination' and a total replacement of the entire socio-politico-economic 'human civilization' as we know it.

Otherwise.. yes, there are plenty more wars coming.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

History says yes, humans have always been at war with each other, sticks and stones, spears and bows, guns and bombs, humans arent meant to be at peace, and the only thing that would stop us fighting one another is fighting something else.

What do you think?

Yes it is true.
It is part of being Human.
And take a look at our Animal History
Fights are normal.


Of Course Evil Blair /Bush Illegally Invaded Iraq
and Carpet Bombing it.
And our own Corrupt New Labour PM Blair
used Falsehoods to get it through.
And even worse he Smiles about it.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes it is true.
It is part of being Human.
And take a look at our Animal History
Fights are normal.


Of Course Evil Blair /Bush Illegally Invaded Iraq
and Carpet Bombing it.
And our own Corrupt New Labour PM Blair
used Falsehoods to get it through.
And even worse he Smiles about it.

As much as people want to make near hysterical outrage over what we laughingly call 'The War' - its nothing.

The Iraq War is nothing but a blip of a 'war' when compared to the last century of warfare,
and,
people don't even really consider that wars in Africa have come and gone with far more actual 'war and killing',
and,
Iraq doesn't even come close to Vietnam (yet) and Vietnam was 'just another regional conflict' compared to a hundred others.

This is not asking for 'moral relativism' and this is agreeing that 'any war is bad war',
but,
If you step back and look at the history of wars in just that region - the current Iraq war is small stuff and barely counts.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

As much as people want to make near hysterical outrage over what we laughingly call 'The War' - its nothing.

The Iraq War is nothing but a blip of a 'war' when compared to the last century of warfare,
and,
people don't even really consider that wars in Africa have come and gone with far more actual 'war and killing',
and,
Iraq doesn't even come close to Vietnam (yet) and Vietnam was 'just another regional conflict' compared to a hundred others.

This is not asking for 'moral relativism' and this is agreeing that 'any war is bad war',
but,
If you step back and look at the history of wars in just that region - the current Iraq war is small stuff and barely counts.

It counts - to those that have lost loved ones!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It counts - to those that have lost loved ones!

Yes, they definitely count. They gave their lives to save lives and each fallen soldier deserves all the regard as the individual who died fighting Hitler.

Having said that, it doesn't make the Iraq war as big and brutal as Rwanda. We agree 'one is too many',
but,
we do need to have the overall war in perspective. You would have more consideration for 100,000 soldiers into a full-on war with China. You wouldn't say 'Oh its the same thing'.
Its not.
One is massive and the other is much less massive.