[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I do know a bit about politics kiddo as my 1st degree from EDI was in politics/social policy. I'm currently working for a large Scottish local authority and regularly chat with the other officials @ Hollyrood. Tell me your credentials to be able to talk utter bollox.

PS Andy - we regard Engerland as being England/Wales - same laws, same voting patterns - so I wish my socialist country to be free from England/Wales as you'd then have to call it on the geography books/maps. Maybe just call it Engerland for ease and forget the Welsh attachment.

Was you at Ember while Tony was there?

No you call it Engerland to wind up Englanders. Coz you are an Engerland hating Scotchman

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Was you at Ember uni while Tony was there?

No you call it Engerland to wind up Englanders. Coz you are an Engerland hating Scotchman

I believe Tone wasn't accepted at my Alma Mater as not even his public school from EDI (Fettes) could fake the marks.

And yes - I'm winding people as usual Shas as stoopid Schotcher

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I believe Tone wasn't accepted at my Alma Mater as not even his public school from EDI (Fettes) could fake the marks.

And yes - I'm winding people as usual Shas as stoopid Schotcher

You naughty naughty man you..

Tony got into Oxford though where he got a very unremarkable second in Law. Daddy wasnt too impressed.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

You naughty naughty man you..

Tony got into Oxford though where he got a very unremarkable second in Law. Daddy wasnt too impressed.

You're the naughty lad - go sit on the bucket Oor Wullie!

I'm not nearly as old as you n Tone even if he had been accepted by EDI - Oxford just took the cash kiddo!

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

You Scots have the option to get independence at every general election, but only a minority seem to want it. I wonder why.

If we'd returned 6 SNP and 41 Scottish Labour (oops we did) at the general UK election, or 47 SNP what difference does this make prey tell Einstein? Would Davie boy not be @ No.10 ? Would you have let us go free instantly so no hung Parliament and can go Tory Greater England????

Scottish Labour MSPs work with the minority SNP Government at Hollyrood as we're all socialists unlike Engerland

I have to wonder why the Tories have only 1 MP in Scotland, yet you rule us. Not tenable.

If you take it down to being a "Celt" and name calling, then fine. I'm happy to be a socialist Celt and unhappy we're ruled by an Engerland who do not reflect what we overwhelmingly voted where the Tories are 4th party in my socialist country. I'm not necessarily anti-Engerland, or anti-Engerlish - I just believe we have voted overwhelmingly different from England/Wales and have little to do with "Greater England" (what I think it should be called on in the map encompassing the principality of former Wales once we're free). GE on the map

[AndyJK]

Originally Posted by Claymores

As mentioned above - Scottish Labour is different from your English version called New Labour to appease the middle England who were a bit unsure about getting rid of the Tories in '97

If you wish to count socialists, count 6 plus 41 Scottish Labour MPs which essentially hung your Parliament. Take them out and you have your right wing public school Tory Govt. No need to fall in bed with the Lib/Dem leader who was at public school with David. (The word 'fag' from English public school thing certainly comes to mind)

How many of the current cabinet went to public school?

Originally Posted by Claymores

At every general election we vote Scottish Labour to try to keep the Tories out of a UK Parliament. At national level we have a minority SNP govt. because we know they're socialists under the guise of SNP. At local level SNP cannot go forwards as local people vote for socialist Scottish Labour.......but SNP socialists have taken a few significant areas even over socialist Scottish Labour.

You have said you feel "Scotland is chained to England", so shouldn't you feel angry with your fellow tribes people for not voting SNP and gaining full independence? I assume that's what you want. You should feel lucky in England there is no chance of a nationalist party even getting a seat in parliament let alone independence for England. So we certainly feel chained to you Scots and have to put up with a lot of your people's hatred for class and a capitalist system Scotland has benefited considerably from, yet a lot of you consistently moan about. A good example of a case of biting the hand that feeds you.

Originally Posted by Claymores

I do know a bit about politics kiddo as my 1st degree from EDI was in politics/social policy. I'm currently working for a large Scottish local authority and regularly chat with the other officials @ Hollyrood. Tell me your credentials to be able to talk utter bollox.

Did you pay any tuition fees for your degree? Your education towers above mine. I only went to a state school and had a year at college. As a class warrior and a socialist I am surprised you're getting haughty at your education. Is this because you want to feel intellectually superior to me? Why else would you bring it up?

[AndyJK]

Originally Posted by Claymores

If we'd returned 6 SNP and 41 Scottish Labour (oops we did) at the general UK election, or 47 SNP what difference does this make prey tell Einstein? Would Davie boy not be @ No.10 ? Would you have let us go free instantly so no hung Parliament and can go Tory Greater England????

Scottish Labour MSPs work with the minority SNP Government at Hollyrood as we're all socialists unlike Engerland

I have to wonder why the Tories have only 1 MP in Scotland, yet you rule us. Not tenable.

If you take it down to being a "Celt" and name calling, then fine. I'm happy to be a socialist Celt and unhappy we're ruled by an Engerland who do not reflect what we overwhelmingly voted where the Tories are 4th party in my socialist country. I'm not necessarily anti-Engerland, or anti-Engerlish - I just believe we have voted overwhelmingly different from England/Wales and have little to do with "Greater England" (what I think it should be called on in the map encompassing the principality of former Wales once we're free). GE on the map

If you elect 47 SNP MPs that would surely give you the right to declare full independence, if it doesn't then people have to ask what is the purpose of the SNP. Considering more people in England at the 2005 general election voted Conservative is it tenable that a Labour government should rule with a 66 majority?

If you're happy for people in Scotland voting Labour that's fine, just remember you are part of the UK and therefore you have to respect how other people in the country vote who have opposite views to you.

[karezza]

Alex Salmond said half the Scottish population was English or of English descent, the other half is of Irish descent.
Ergo Scotland does not exist.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Claymores

By oppression? like Maggie?

We have consistently voted socialist - even voted Scottish Labour to try keep the Tories out. Scotland has one Conservative MP who we'd gladly gift away to Engerland. Tories came 4th in the popular vote, Scotland has minority sociialist parliament.

It all seems untenable as we have nothing to do with England thought-wise about what we want

But they still do

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

If you elect 47 SNP MPs that would surely give you the right to declare full independence, if it doesn't then people have to ask what is the purpose of the SNP. Considering more people in England at the 2005 general election voted Conservative is it tenable that a Labour government should rule with a 66 majority?

If you're happy for people in Scotland voting Labour that's fine, just remember you are part of the UK and therefore you have to respect how other people in the country vote who have opposite views to you.

Doh Homer - we declare to be socialist by having 80+% voting for socialist party's every time of asking at UK, National or local elections.

I really don't mind if their colour is SNP or Scottish Labour. Once we're free you'd have to presume SNP disappears and we vote on other things - one socialist's avowed election points as against anothers

Now you've suddely changed tune from 'if Scotland wanted to vote freedom in general election' to 'you have to respect others in UK'. Make up your mind silly child - Scotland did and returned 47 socialists to your David Cameron public school-fest.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by karezza

Alex Salmond said half the Scottish population was English or of English descent, the other half is of Irish descent.
Ergo Scotland does not exist.

I know Alex quite well as used to drink with him in the pubs in EDI when my flatmate was the leading SNP student in SNP group (I was not). Tell me where/when he said that nonesense you just tried to quote and I'll get his response.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

But they still do

That's why I have the hump! Trust you virtual say 'tough cheese old boy'

[James]

The only socialist parties in Scotland are on the fringes... meaning whichever party Tommy Sheridan is a member of these days.

Labour in Scotland is the same as UK New Labour. The Scottish MPs agreed to stand under its manifesto so must agree with its policies.

[Claymores]

How many of the current cabinet went to public school?

Who gives an eff - it is the Greater Engerland Govt.



You have said you feel "Scotland is chained to England", so shouldn't you feel angry with your fellow tribes people for not voting SNP and gaining full independence? I assume that's what you want. You should feel lucky in England there is no chance of a nationalist party even getting a seat in parliament let alone independence for England. So we certainly feel chained to you Scots and have to put up with a lot of your people's hatred for class and a capitalist system Scotland has benefited considerably from, yet a lot of you consistently moan about. A good example of a case of biting the hand that feeds you.


That is just tosh not worthy of a response


Did you pay any tuition fees for your degree? Your education towers above mine. I only went to a state school and had a year at college. As a class warrior and a socialist I am surprised you're getting haughty at your education. Is this because you want to feel intellectually superior to me? Why else would you bring it up?

I went to public school kiddo - they let all the public in, anyone at my school. The Government paid my tuition fees unnder the 1st as was the styleee of the time. My employers paid for the 2nd n 3rd. Where is yer problem with that kiddo?

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by James

The only socialist parties in Scotland are on the fringes... meaning whichever party Tommy Sheridan is a member of these days.

Labour in Scotland is the same as UK New Labour. The Scottish MPs agreed to stand under its manifesto so must agree with its policies.

And that's why we have a minority SNP government @ Hollyrood who refused to fall into bed Lib/Dems to gain a majority but instead work with the other socialists to form a working government eh James?

Come teach our kids politics 1.01 - you seem very knowlegable James (sic) So knowlegable you only know someone who has been on BB

PAH

[James]

Originally Posted by Claymores

And that's why we have a minority SNP government @ Hollyrood who refused to fall into bed Lib/Dems to gain a majority but instead work with the other socialists to form a working government eh James?

Come teach our kids politics 1.01 - you seem very knowledgable James (sic) So knowledgable you only know someone who has been on BB

PAH

But your argument about the Tories not being entitled to rule Scotland only relates to the UK government; Holyrood doesn't come in to it as that has a different ruling party.

And the UK Labour party is the same as Scottish Labour when it comes to UK elections.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by James

But your argument about the Tories not being entitled to rule Scotland only relates to the UK government; Holyrood doesn't come in to it as that has a different ruling party.

And the UK Labour party is the same as Scottish Labour when it comes to UK elections.

If you go back to the opening post, my argument relates to Scotland being an essentialy socialist country now ruled by a Tory Government. In Scotland yez have one MP, no mandate.

Others brought in national and local elections..............socialists similarly win 80+% of the popular vote in each, hence a socialist Hollyrood.

Explain to me like I'm a 5 year old why a distincly different country should be ruled by your government????

[AndyJK]

Originally Posted by Claymores

How many of the current cabinet went to public school?

Who gives an eff - it is the Greater Engerland Govt.



You have said you feel "Scotland is chained to England", so shouldn't you feel angry with your fellow tribes people for not voting SNP and gaining full independence? I assume that's what you want. You should feel lucky in England there is no chance of a nationalist party even getting a seat in parliament let alone independence for England. So we certainly feel chained to you Scots and have to put up with a lot of your people's hatred for class and a capitalist system Scotland has benefited considerably from, yet a lot of you consistently moan about. A good example of a case of biting the hand that feeds you.


That is just tosh not worthy of a response


Did you pay any tuition fees for your degree? Your education towers above mine. I only went to a state school and had a year at college. As a class warrior and a socialist I am surprised you're getting haughty at your education. Is this because you want to feel intellectually superior to me? Why else would you bring it up?

I went to public school kiddo - they let all the public in, anyone at my school. The Government paid my tuition fees unnder the 1st as was the styleee of the time. My employers paid for the 2nd n 3rd. Where is yer problem with that kiddo?

lol best we leave it there. I have no time for you at all. You're a waste of space.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

lol best we leave it there. I have no time for you at all. You're a waste of space.

I love when people become incapable of defending an indefensible position - a bit like Davie boy with Scotland.