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Old 02-06-2010, 02:31 AM #11
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They assaulted ships on the high seas outside of their territorial waters without legal intent, to take command without consent of the owners of said ships that makes them pirates.
No it doesn't.
IF they believed there was an incoming terrorist threat and believing it was aimed at its country then you bet they can go stop them.

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They resorted to the use of lethal force in pursuit of this aim, even though they were also equipped with non lethal weapons. By using lethal force to obtain an illegal aim, that makes them murderers.
No it does not.
You are such a phony because there is NO WAY you would be saying this in any other scenario.
First I'm genuinely shocked those 2 Israelis survived after seeing the horrific metal bar destruction,
and,
there is no doubt about this whatsoever - when you have microsecond and every single blow coming down is a 'death blow' you must immediately STOP the attacker.
You DO NOT do anything else.

IF you saw this EXACT scenario happening in downtown London you would NEVER say they ought to have resorted to tasers or rubber bullets and YOU would actually criticise them for taking TOO LONG to stop the raining death blows.


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They may have been under the illusion they were operating within the law, they may have thought the activists on the vessels would simply surrender, that doesnt matter.
Yes it definitely does matter. intent is 9/10s of the law. Of course it matters. Its the 'debate' we are having too.

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Same as if a burglar broke into your house armed with a knife and gun, threatened you with the knife you fought back and he then shot you dead, in the UK they would start with a murder charge.
It would not be a 'murder charge' (notice the sneaky little ways you use words you wimp lol),
but,
No, of course not. It would only be 'murder' IF you were certain they were no longer a threat and then you killed them.

Here again shows your total insincerity because IF you saw a crook breaking into a neighbours car.
IF you then ran over to stop him.
IF that crook them pulled out a metal bar and began smashing your head in...

...you would be OUTRAGED if the police did anything less than immediately stop the smashing blows on your head with the fastest and most effective immediate way.
You would NEVER apologize for 'commandeering' the man on the public street and you would actually be INFURIATED if the police did not do anything but instantly fire on the crook before that 6th blow.. 7th blow... killed you.

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The Israelis simply wanted to ensure their illegal blockade wasnt broken, full stop.
It is not 'illegal' and they can do what they want.
I don't even say I like it but Israel gets to make their own laws about their own country.
Period.
What are YOU confused about?
They are not allowed in and so they stopped them.
Its very simple.
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