[Lauren]

Originally Posted by alc09

There's always going to be trouble, not just England but other countries. Pissed up blokes normally leads to a bit of mischief.

Agree with this.

Moe successful clubs and countries tend to resort to violent misconduct moreso because they go to matches expecting a win and respect, and when it's not given, or they lose - it turns violent. It's not just England, it happens all over - if you expect a win and don't get it - it'll go violent.

Pishy countries like my beloved Scotland go there expecting a good time, win or lose, and so it doesn't tend to resort to violence. As Claymores said. "We're ****, and we know we are".

If anyones actually interested (I'm gonna guess nobody), theres an interesting article about this phenomenon, it focusses on England and Scotland though.

Giulianotti, R. (1991). Scotland's tartan army in Italy: the case for the carnivalesque. Sociological Review, 39, 3 (1991), 503-27.