[Bigbrofan25]

Originally Posted by Me!

Thanks! Its nice to hear that once in a while!

You are welcome

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by simonsays

i dont get why people dont agree with gay marriage if they dont have a problem with gay people

A homophobe by any other name, as Shakespeare didn't say. I think he thought that he'd get away with his comments about gay marriage as long as he didn't say (to the viewing public who were watching) that he didn't like gay people.

[Annie]

Marriage is a religious thing and being gay is a "sin" in the bible so obviously the church doesn't want to have gay marriages in the house of the lord.
The Christain faith has been around for a VERY long time and you cant just change it and scrub certain bits out the bible that you dont really like.
Gay people can have a civil ceremony which is a great thing for them to have.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by starry

Marriage to me is just a social custom so it's not a big deal to me. For others though it may go against their beliefs. I don't think it's about being a 'homophobe'. After all if everyone was homosexual there would be no human race it would just die out, lol. I don't agree with homosexual adoption so much, at least I think priority should be given to heterosexual couples as a child has a right to have both a mother and a father if possible.

I think a child has a right to be loved.

Whether that's with mum and dad, dad and dad or mum and mum.

Straight parents don't have the monopoly on good parenting you know.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

i know a few people that couldnt get married by people of the cloth because they werent the same religion (pros/cath) some people wont marry couples for many stupid reasons. doesnt mean they are anti those people, just that they take the stance of the church. Doesnt mean that dave is homophobic, just means the church is.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by You_Tell_Me

It's ironic what Dave said considering how touchy feely he has been with Mario since Day 1. Me thinks he might be so far in the closet he's back in the party room with Govan.

Yes, I had the same thoughts when he had his arm round Mario on tonight's H/L

[30stone]

Originally Posted by Annie

Marriage is a religious thing and being gay is a "sin" in the bible so obviously the church doesn't want to have gay marriages in the house of the lord.
The Christain faith has been around for a VERY long time and you cant just change it and scrub certain bits out the bible that you dont really like.
Gay people can have a civil ceremony which is a great thing for them to have.

This.


As for philip. a ****ing idiot for not agreeing with gay marrige thats harsh isnt it?

[starry]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I think a child has a right to be loved.

Whether that's with mum and dad, dad and dad or mum and mum.

Straight parents don't have the monopoly on good parenting you know.

Yeh, but an example for a child from a mother AND a father I think is quite useful, and really that would be the case in a normal conception of a child (which would obviously be between a man and a woman, with sperm and ovaries). That's just the facts of life, hard to avoid really lol.

I assume marriage was originally established as an institution to promote a stable environment for development of a family. Nowadays it can mean other things. Of course societies are different over time and in different places, but children are still conceived in the same way. People can have whatever relationships they want but it's logical to expect that the normal situation for a child is to have both mother and father, after all that is what they were born with.

[ourgus]

I bet you all want the government to cut benefits and services to make things better!!! DERRR!!! Bloody Dimmocks.

[kisywisy]

Originally Posted by starry

Yeh, but an example for a child from a mother AND a father I think is quite useful, and really that would be the case in a normal conception of a child (which would obviously be between a man and a woman, with sperm and ovaries). That's just the facts of life, hard to avoid really lol.

I assume marriage was originally established as an institution to promote a stable environment for development of a family. Nowadays it can mean other things. Of course societies are different over time and in different places, but children are still conceived in the same way. People can have whatever relationships they want but it's logical to expect that the normal situation for a child is to have both mother and father, after all that is what they were born with.

i see your point, but you don't have to be in a relationship to concieve a child.
personally, i see no harm in gay couples raising children. no real evidence to suggest otherwise.

[kisywisy]

Originally Posted by ourgus

I bet you all want the government to cut benefits and services to make things better!!! DERRR!!! Bloody Dimmocks.

huh??

[Shasown]

He is entitled to his own opinion, regardless of how outdated it is. His opinion is coloured by his reading of a very old book which has shaped perceptions for a few thousand years.

All he said was he wouldnt perform a ceremony for same sex, he didnt condemn or criticise, just that in his view his inderstanding of scriptures meant he couldnt prtgotm the ceremony.

A lot of religious people are like that, if thats what they believe fine, let them, you wont change their mind saying they are homophobes.

[bansheewails]

[QUOTE=Shasown;3352350]He is entitled to his own opinion, regardless of how outdated it is. His opinion is coloured by his reading of a very old book which has shaped perceptions for a few thousand years.

All he said was he wouldnt perform a ceremony for same sex, he didnt condemn or criticise, just that in his view his inderstanding of scriptures meant he couldnt prtgotm the ceremony.

A lot of religious people are like that, if thats what they believe fine, let them, you wont change their mind saying they are homophobes.[/QUOTE


But when Josie asked him then to explain why if god loved everyone, and he didn;t object to gays, what was wrong with marrying them, he refused to answer. Which is what annoyed me, very old fashioned religious view, accept what I say and don;t question me. Thats how people understand differing views, by questioning and discussing the issue, not avoiding it.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by bansheewails

But when Josie asked him then to explain why if god loved everyone, and he didn;t object to gays, what was wrong with marrying them, he refused to answer. Which is what annoyed me, very old fashioned religious view, accept what I say and don;t question me. Thats how people understand differing views, by questioning and discussing the issue, not avoiding it.

Ah but thats not the way some religious adherents defend their beliefs, this is where society and reigion tend to divide, religion moves slower than general society, its only recently women were allowed back into some denominations as priests etc, where there is precedent in the New Testament for them not only being priests but also bishops etc.

Still got to give him credit for partially dealing with her questions, its a lot more than most do.

Religion has to be dragged, in many cases into accepting modern social views, in some cases there are religions still stuck in the middle ages if not earlier.

[KG.]

Originally Posted by Annie

Marriage is a religious thing and being gay is a "sin" in the bible so obviously the church doesn't want to have gay marriages in the house of the lord.
The Christain faith has been around for a VERY long time and you cant just change it and scrub certain bits out the bible that you dont really like.
Gay people can have a civil ceremony which is a great thing for them to have.

Ironically, it's usually religious mugs who try to defend their stance on anti-homosexuality that tend to scrub certain bits out of the bible.

Anybody can pick and choose what they want and what they will from the bible, it's a book of many contradictions.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by InOne

He's Christian, what do you expect?

I'm Catholic and I don't have a problem with it!

[Bigbrofan25]

Originally Posted by Annie

Marriage is a religious thing and being gay is a "sin" in the bible so obviously the church doesn't want to have gay marriages in the house of the lord.
The Christain faith has been around for a VERY long time and you cant just change it and scrub certain bits out the bible that you dont really like.
Gay people can have a civil ceremony which is a great thing for them to have.

No thats not equality thats second class status gay people pay the same bloody taxes they are human beings like anyone else

Civil marriage is a secular thing its UK secular law and is done in a register office and not a church this doesn`t affect religious people what so ever

You cannot use religion as a way to stop people doing what they want to do
If you choose to be religious thats fine but you cannot force others o be the same

[Bigbrofan25]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I'm Catholic and I don't have a problem with it!

Same here I am a liberal catholic and I m very pro gay I wish they would stop saying we`re all the same

[supergirthuk]

I seriously wouldnt have wanted Dave to be the vicar to marry me and my missus. It was bad enough with the priest being intoxicated from his Friday night session than being on a bender with the lord.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Bigbrofan25

Same here I am a liberal catholic and I m very pro gay I wish they would stop saying we`re all the same

I agree.

[supergirthuk]

There are plenty of places gay people can get married. He is entitled to his opinion. I dont agree with it but its his choice.

However, I didnt like the loaded question by Josie in the first place. I suspect she would have been against gay marriage if he was for it just to give her an excuse to vote for him. She is not as daft as she acts I think.

[BB_Eye]

It's nothing more than his own personal morality. It's not as if he is waving a bible at Mario telling him that his lifestyle is wrong. Is he a little bit brainwashed? Probably, but I am sure he is far too busy worrying about doing the right thing in his own life to go around giving insufferable sermons.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by supergirthuk

There are plenty of places gay people can get married. He is entitled to his opinion. I dont agree with it but its his choice.

However, I didnt like the loaded question by Josie in the first place. I suspect she would have been against gay marriage if he was for it just to give her an excuse to vote for him. She is not as daft as she acts I think.

This She is definately a gameplayer.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Phlip

To me, anyone who doesn't support gay marriage is a fucking idiot.

Ok, so you support the whole "agree-with-me-or-you're-scum" argument?

[Crimson Dynamo]

same reason you cant call a gay man a wife


work it out


marriage is for a man and woman

2 blokes can get together but it aint a marriage, lol

marriages make children and children and families are what makes the world, this needs protection.

breeders have precedent. end of.