[Stacey.]

remind me again what sort of things Sunshine cried over...

Rachael does have reason for this. Dave going and putting her up for eviction like that must feel harsh on her. we know he had to choose someone, but you always think 'oh i knew it'd be me' or 'it always happens to me' whatever about situations in life.

then John putting her down like that seemed to top it all off really.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

remind me again what sort of things Sunshine cried over...

Rachael does have reason for this. Dave going and putting her up for eviction like that must feel harsh on her. we know he had to choose someone, but you always think 'oh i knew it'd be me' or 'it always happens to me' whatever about situations in life.

then John putting her down like that seemed to top it all off really.

Govan and a few others deliberately voted her the mole thinking she was in order to get her evicted - that is way more harsh than somebody putting you up (and Dave had to chose somebody, and he doesnt really get on with Rachael so he wasnt backstabbing) for eviction and only possibly going!

And no you dont, she was just looking for sympothy to try help her stay, and tried making a move on JJ to make viewers interested in her.. backfired much?

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by Jords

Govan and a few others deliberately voted her the mole thinking she was in order to get her evicted - that is way more harsh than somebody putting you up (and Dave had to chose somebody, and he doesnt really get on with Rachael so he wasnt backstabbing) for eviction and only possibly going!

And no you dont, she was just looking for sympothy to try help her stay, and tried making a move on JJ to make viewers interested in her.. backfired much?

ah yeah. it was only the fact though that the same reason you're giving for Dave actually. Govan and Dave both had to choose someone.

Rachael thinks she's hated because of the boo's she had going on, and i guess she's scared of being the first evictee, when actually she shouldn't even be up for eviction!

i don't get how she was looking for sympathy. she was obviously upset that she felt Dave just picked on her. that's a horrible feeling. all she said was she finds him hot... is it not alright for her to say the truth? it was clear she liked him before! he's treating her like **** when he didn't appear to have a problem with her before...

and i can absolutely guarantee that if Rachael or Govan had been saying what John has been about Sunshine or anyone else [basically other than Rachael or Govan], you would definitely be agreeing with the person in Rachael's place.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

ah yeah. it was only the fact though that the same reason you're giving for Dave actually. Govan and Dave both had to choose someone.

Rachael thinks she's hated because of the boo's she had going on, and i guess she's scared of being the first evictee, when actually she shouldn't even be up for eviction!

i don't get how she was looking for sympathy. she was obviously upset that she felt Dave just picked on her. that's a horrible feeling. all she said was she finds him hot... is it not alright for her to say the truth? it was clear she liked him before! he's treating her like **** when he didn't appear to have a problem with her before...

and i can absolutely guarantee that if Rachael or Govan had been saying what John has been about Sunshine or anyone else [basically other than Rachael or Govan], you would definitely be agreeing with the person in Rachael's place.

No its not. Govan thought Sunshine was the mole, and would rather her be evicted than nothing happen - he could have voted somebody else at random otherwise!

I love the save and replace twist, and Im sure you did too before you found out Rachael was going up. Its a shame your favourite is up for eviction when not actually being nominated, Id be gutted if it was one of my favourites, but its a game and keeps it interesting!

She was looking for sympothy from the public, to help reduce her chance of going (trying to start a fling on tonights HL with JJ was to help this too imo). She nominated Dave! How is it unfair that he puts her up? You would laugh your head off if it was somebody you hated. Not sure why JJ overreacted about the look she pulls tbh, he had a fair point till he blew one. Then again I do think hes a gameplanner, so I find them both as bad as each other.

Im not sure what you mean on your last point though?


Edit: Rob youre a fish.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by Jords

No its not. Govan thought Sunshine was the mole, and would rather her be evicted than nothing happen - he could have voted somebody else at random otherwise!

I love the save and replace twist, and Im sure you did too before you found out Rachael was going up. Its a shame your favourite is up for eviction when not actually being nominated, Id be gutted if it was one of my favourites, but its a game and keeps it interesting!

She was looking for sympothy from the public, to help reduce her chance of going (trying to start a fling on tonights HL with JJ was to help this too imo). She nominated Dave! How is it unfair that he puts her up? You would laugh your head off if it was somebody you hated. Not sure why JJ overreacted about the look she pulls tbh, he had a fair point till he blew one. Then again I do think hes a gameplanner, so I find them both as bad as each other.

Im not sure what you mean on your last point though?


Edit: Rob youre a fish.

Yeah i know that. however, they all had to vote! and it wasn't only him that thought Sunshine was the mole. loads of them voted for Sunshine.

nah not too keen on it really. it would have been unfair whoever had gone up because they shouldn't actually be there. Rachael could go now, because Dave chose to replace himself with her, and based upon the fact Rachael's odds to be evicted have shortened which has happened tonight. obviously because of John making a scene of the way she looks at him!

she also made the point that Dave should have had more punishment for speaking about nominations than just doing a speech. i'm in total agreement with her again as in previous years, they've been put up for eviction for doing that or whatever. even then John had to pick on her. it's every single chance he gets, he takes it!

i saw no possible hints of a fling... she just said that she liked him! and thought he was hot.

then when he called her out of bed onto the sofa's, he was speaking to her arrogantly like he was in charge! and how sweet! she went and said sorry to him, can we start a fresh day tomorrow? she just wants to be his friend, yet he is against her because of the way she looks at him.

yeah, sorry, that didn't quite make sense.

basically i mean that if Rachael or Govan had been in John's position tonight, and Sunshine had been in Rachael's - then you and other Rachael/Govan haters would have been on Sunshine's side... which is actually Rachael's.

i still don't think that makes any sense LOL.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

Yeah i know that. however, they all had to vote! and it wasn't only him that thought Sunshine was the mole. loads of them voted for Sunshine.

nah not too keen on it really. it would have been unfair whoever had gone up because they shouldn't actually be there. Rachael could go now, because Dave chose to replace himself with her, and based upon the fact Rachael's odds to be evicted have shortened which has happened tonight. obviously because of John making a scene of the way she looks at him!

she also made the point that Dave should have had more punishment for speaking about nominations than just doing a speech. i'm in total agreement with her again as in previous years, they've been put up for eviction for doing that or whatever. even then John had to pick on her. it's every single chance he gets, he takes it!

i saw no possible hints of a fling... she just said that she liked him! and thought he was hot.

then when he called her out of bed onto the sofa's, he was speaking to her arrogantly like he was in charge! and how sweet! she went and said sorry to him, can we start a fresh day tomorrow? she just wants to be his friend, yet he is against her because of the way she looks at him.

yeah, sorry, that didn't quite make sense.

basically i mean that if Rachael or Govan had been in John's position tonight, and Sunshine had been in Rachael's - then you and other Rachael/Govan haters would have been on Sunshine's side... which is actually Rachael's.

i still don't think that makes any sense LOL.

Indeed it wasnt, Im not specifically targetting Govan here, but you asked why Sunshine got upset, and that is the reason.

I think its rather refreshing, I probably prefer the idea of them all doing a task before nominations and the winner cant be nominated, might make it more fair as they all get a shot at it then - cant remember who suggested it now.

Hmmm I guess were gonna have to agree to disagree here Stace. But after the whole rant she did in the DR about not liking not be fancied and espicially from JJ as hes her type, did seem like it to me!

I know what you mean, but the thing is Sunshine isnt Rachael, I like Sunshine as a person so she wouldnt be in that sort of situation. If she were like Rachael, I wouldnt like her tbh.

Haha, essays!

Originally Posted by Nick.B

Sunshine WAS paranoid that people didn't like her, when people did like her.
However, you put the point across the Rachael is paranoid that J-J doesn't like her.

The fact is J-J DOESN'T like her...so she has nothing to be paranoid over, it's there, out in the open, as green as the bloody grass...so she isn't paranoid, she is correct actually.

The difference is, everybody liked Sunshine when she thought nobody did...with Rachael J-J doesn't like her, he dislikes her so much and she knows it...

Many of them were constantly bitching behind her back, which would suggest no they did not like her - think Sunshine was aware they were doing this too. And actually I think Govan admitted outright to Corin in the bedroom that he did not like her.

[Joelle.]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

ah yeah. it was only the fact though that the same reason you're giving for Dave actually. Govan and Dave both had to choose someone.

Rachael thinks she's hated because of the boo's she had going on, and i guess she's scared of being the first evictee, when actually she shouldn't even be up for eviction!

i don't get how she was looking for sympathy. she was obviously upset that she felt Dave just picked on her. that's a horrible feeling. all she said was she finds him hot... is it not alright for her to say the truth? it was clear she liked him before! he's treating her like **** when he didn't appear to have a problem with her before...

and i can absolutely guarantee that if Rachael or Govan had been saying what John has been about Sunshine or anyone else [basically other than Rachael or Govan], you would definitely be agreeing with the person in Rachael's place.

By crying she just made poor Dave feel even worse than he already did, he had to pick someone and his reason was that he thought she would be the most popular with the public so would be the least likely to be evicted. I mean as you might have gathered I'm not exactly Rachaels biggest fan but John was being a bit paranoid thinking that she is constantly giving him dirty looks. There really wasn't any need to drag her out of bed over it.

[Stacey.]

Originally Posted by Juan_Sheet

By crying she just made poor Dave feel even worse than he already did, he had to pick someone and his reason was that he thought she would be the most popular with the public so would be the least likely to be evicted. I mean as you might have gathered I'm not exactly Rachaels biggest fan but John was being a bit paranoid thinking that she is constantly giving him dirty looks. There really wasn't any need to drag her out of bed over it.

natural reaction really. she couldn't help it.

and of course he didn't think that! it was the best reason he could think of.

Rachael genuinely thinks she'll be first out because of her boo's on launch night and she's scared of being the first evictee probably. i know i would be.

exactly. he was out of order.

[JOSH69]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

remind me again what sort of things Sunshine cried over...

Rachael does have reason for this. Dave going and putting her up for eviction like that must feel harsh on her. we know he had to choose someone, but you always think 'oh i knew it'd be me' or 'it always happens to me' whatever about situations in life.

then John putting her down like that seemed to top it all off really.

Stacey!.....Its way past your bedtime!!!!