[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Neither does Christianity nor most other organised religions. The basic tenets of most religions are peace and love. Surely the assessment of how violent the adherents of any particular religion should be how many acts of violence have been committed in its name as opposed to what they preach.

Its the people doing the organising that promote the violence and hate. Using religion for their own agenda.

I kinda disagree with the second sentence because there's a big distinction between Buddhism and other religions, With Christianity and Islam there's violence at it's core (stoning none believers, Adulterers, Gay people ETC) and a history of violence commited in it's name. Buddhism doesn't speak a word about hate, it even says to respect other religions and their holidays and values as long as they promote good will.

I agree with the last sentence though, it's the main reason I hate organised religion. Islam and Christianity are violent religions yes but most of it's followers are inteligent enough not to share their more violent beliefs. It's just the few that use the easily led for their own goals. Buddhism isn't innocent either but I think at it's core it's not as bad as others.

[InOne]

At the end of the day, Islam and the West don't mix. And we shouldn't be trying to let it.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I kinda disagree with the second sentence because there's a big distinction between Buddhism and other religions, With Christianity and Islam there's violence at it's core (stoning none believers, Adulterers, Gay people ETC) and a history of violence commited in it's name. Buddhism doesn't speak a word about hate, it even says to respect other religions and their holidays and values as long as they promote good will.

I agree with the last sentence though, it's the main reason I hate organised religion. Islam and Christianity are violent religions yes but most of it's followers are inteligent enough not to share their more violent beliefs. It's just the few that use the easily led for their own goals. Buddhism isn't innocent either but I think at it's core it's not as bad as others.

Then that shows what little you know of the basis of Christianity.

What violence is actually at the core of Christianity? The death of Jesus? Stoning non believers, adulterers etc is a Jewish/Muslim punishment.

Nowhere in his ministry or teachings does Jesus advocate stoning of anyone, nor any sort of violence, in fact he stops a stoning doesnt he? I think he advocated something along the lines of peace on Earth and goodwill to others. Forgiveness, turning the other cheek, brotherly love etc.

It isnt so much the religion as the motivations of the people using the religion to achieve their aims.

You could I suppose argue about the Crusades, subjugation of indigenous populations etc done in the name of Christianity, but that wasnt done at the request of Jesus was it? It was done by ambitious people using the religion to gain wealth, the mistaken belief it would gain them admission to heaven, fame, etc.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Then that shows what little you know of the basis of Christianity.

What violence is actually at the core of Christianity? The death of Jesus? Stoning non believers, adulterers etc is a Jewish/Muslim punishment.

Nowhere in his ministry or teachings does Jesus advocate stoning of anyone, nor any sort of violence, in fact he stops a stoning doesnt he? I think he advocated something along the lines of peace on Earth and goodwill to others. Forgiveness, turning the other cheek, brotherly love etc.

It isnt so much the religion as the motivations of the people using the religion to achieve their aims.

You could I suppose argue about the Crusades, subjugation of indigenous populations etc done in the name of Christianity, but that wasnt done at the request of Jesus was it? It was done by ambitious people using the religion to gain wealth, the mistaken belief it would gain them admission to heaven, fame, etc.

Fair points, although I might have been thinking of the old Testament. I'm pretty sure there was some death sentences and such in there.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

What a vile, hateful bunch - they should not have been allowed to attend the march! If they hate our country and what it stands for so much - then they should leave! Simple - just a bunch of leeches!

Totally agree with this.

Bunch of mindless idiot tbh. (The extremists, not muslims in general...)

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Fair points, although I might have been thinking of the old Testament. I'm pretty sure there was some death sentences and such in there.

Yeah there are lots of deaths murders rapes, adultery etc in the OT, there are also all forms of support to back up any particular belief.

But Christians look upon the OT as proof that God would send a Messenger, his son, that he would be born of the House of David etc.

It also provides Christians with the basic laws from God that jesus would have lived by, the ten commandments etc. A bedrock if you like for him to build his ministry on. The history of the people from who he was descended etc.

The New Testament also sort of accepts that the reader would have an understanding of the Old Testament particularly about gods promises to man (sending a saviour etc).

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah there are lots of deaths murders rapes, adultery etc in the OT, there are also all forms of support to back up any particular belief.

But Christians look upon the OT as proof that God would send a Messenger, his son, that he would be born of the House of David etc.

It also provides Christians with the basic laws from God that jesus would have lived by, the ten commandments etc. A bedrock if you like for him to build his ministry on. The history of the people from who he was descended etc.

The New Testament also sort of accepts that the reader would have an understanding of the Old Testament particularly about gods promises to man (sending a saviour etc).

Ah I see, fair enough.

[Shasown]

And going back to Buddhism, I presume you never heard about the Sarin attacks in Japan in 1995

Sarin is a form of nerve agent, it kills relatively quickly by stopping certain chemical enzymes from working within the body, some of the symptoms are difficulty in focusing, increased sweating, muscle twitching then spasms, involuntary urination and defecation, vomiting, then cessation of breathing.

The attack was perpetrated by the Aum Shinrikyo on the Tokyo subway killing 12 commuters, seriously injuring 54 and affecting 980 more. Some estimates claim as many as 5,000 people were injured by the sarin.

They were also responsible for another sarin attack in the Japanese city of Matsumoto, Nagano, killing eight and harming 200 more.

The Aum Shinrikyo are a buddhist sect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo

[sarza]

Originally Posted by InOne

At the end of the day, Islam and the West don't mix. And we shouldn't be trying to let it.

Totally agree with you, too many differences!

Those pics make me totally sick, its a disgrace that they allowed to get away with it all, send them all to an islamic country cos they obviously not happy with uk and what we believe in...

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by sarza

Totally agree with you, too many differences!

Those pics make me totally sick, its a disgrace that they allowed to get away with it all, send them all to an islamic country cos they obviously not happy with uk and what we believe in...

Trouble is they want to leech off our more successful economy, benefit from our democratic society - including free speech - whilst at the same time preaching nothing but hate for our way of life and attempting to murder our citizens! I would chuck the lot of them out - only way to safeguard our own citizens! Priorities - we need to protect our own!

[InOne]

Religion is purely personal, but when dictated, it becomes corrupted.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

Religion is purely personal, but when dictated, it becomes corrupted.

Very true.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I kinda disagree with the second sentence because there's a big distinction between Buddhism and other religions, With Christianity and Islam there's violence at it's core (stoning none believers, Adulterers, Gay people ETC) and a history of violence commited in it's name. Buddhism doesn't speak a word about hate, it even says to respect other religions and their holidays and values as long as they promote good will.

I agree with the last sentence though, it's the main reason I hate organised religion. Islam and Christianity are violent religions yes but most of it's followers are inteligent enough not to share their more violent beliefs. It's just the few that use the easily led for their own goals. Buddhism isn't innocent either but I think at it's core it's not as bad as others.

Feudal Asia isn't exactly the first thing that springs to mind when I think of peace and harmony.

If there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Buddhism, it is in its philosophy towards life. Christianity offers the answers to "why"... all the big questions. Why are we here? Why do good people get punished in life evil people rewarded? What happens after we die? And it promises something far better in the afterlife and reassures the believer that this life is simply a temporary stage.

Buddhism proposes that we stop asking these questions and offers a way of dealing with life's ugly realities and, in turn, accepting them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Feudal Asia isn't exactly the first thing that springs to mind when I think of peace and harmony.

If there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Buddhism, it is in its philosophy towards life. Christianity offers the answers to "why"... all the big questions. Why are we here? Why do good people get punished in life evil people rewarded? What happens after we die? And it promises something far better in the afterlife and reassures the believer that this life is simply a temporary stage.

Buddhism proposes that we stop asking these questions and offers a way of dealing with life's ugly realities and, in turn, accepting them.

Then again was the feudal period down to Buddhism? I always throught it was just a power struggle between different Warlords and factions instead of anything religion based.

A very good distinction as well, I should have thought about that instead of staying at a more basic level.

[setanta]

The many ironies of this article do make me chuckle. Here you have a group of Muslin extremists practicing their rights in a democratic society - a paradox if ever I've seen one - and far right groups reacting violently towards it.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by setanta

The many ironies of this article do make me chuckle. Here you have a group of Muslin extremists practicing their rights in a democratic society - a paradox if ever I've seen one - and far right groups reacting violently towards it.

Glad I aint the only one seeing the irony in the article

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

If having vile views is grounds for deportation, can we send Kelvin MacKenzie, Ron Atkinson, Gary Bushell, Justin Fashanu, El Proximo and cupid stunt to North Korea please?

do you fancy me or sumat you dickhead, always chattin mans name you know, stop followin me around like a puppy ya fassy

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

If having vile views is grounds for deportation, can we send Kelvin MacKenzie, Ron Atkinson, Gary Bushell, Justin Fashanu, El Proximo and cupid stunt to North Korea please?

difference is pal none of them ppl youve sed wana take our country over n kill every1 what aint muslim

[setanta]

are you a piss take? just curious.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

ALL organised religions are as bad as each other with the exception of probably Budhism, you never get any extremist Budhists .

You can't really judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few, cut out the problem and don''t tar the rest. Those protesters are obviously idiots and most Muslims would not stand with them, like most Catholics wouldn't support the peadophile priests. You can't define someone by the actions of a few idiots. Is England full of intolerant violent thugs because of the actions of a few idiotic football fans? Is Ireland full of terrorists? Answer to both is obviously no. Not all muslims are extremists wanting to change our way of life either.

You are making a fundamental mistake in thinking religous followers who don't throw bombs or kill are some how not extremists........that is not true.......Any religion that is brainwashed into children from birth is extremist be it islam or other..........The world is awash with religious extremism........Parents who raise there children with their chosen religion before the child is old enough to understand the concepts and consent is EXTREMISM.

The so called moderate religious are the nests from which the extremists emerge............Any one with half a brain cell would realise that you will not control the killer wasps until you first neutralise the nests from which they emerge.

Until the west recognises the real enemy within then world wide terrorism will spread and spread until one day they are fortunate enough to get hold of a mass desrtuction capability..........Then you can say goodby to the world as we know it...........It's not if its when.......... The world leaders are blind to the dangers of all religious addictions......