[calyman]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

Any Christian with a brain would avoid getting into an argument with certain people, and Caiomhe is one of them.

Some people ask about religion and they are genuinely interested or open-minded. My impression is that Caiomhe just wants to draw him into a conversation which ends with her giving him a pile of grief and making herself feel big.

When he first went in he talked about his religion quite a bit, until Nathan accused him of only going on BB to "advertise God". Since then he's reined it in a bit.

He did get sucked in about the Gay "Marriage" question, which people have constantly mentioned in the house. But then again, if he had avoided the question he would have got stick as well.

I don't reckon he's a homophobe, that's saying too much I think. Saying you don't really believe in Gay "Marriage" is not the same as saying you hate Gay people.

I must admit though, his "Oh I'm absolutely rolling around drunk on the love of our Lord" stuff does make me chuckle and cringe at the same time.

I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by calyman

I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

St, Dave hasn't got a church and thinks that Christianity has got it all wrong.
He is leader of a cult which believes THEY are the only ones getting it right! i.e. with sloashfests! lol

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by calyman

I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

Not accepting gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe! Like some say the word bully gets thrown around this forum too much - so does the word homophobe, moreso!

People are entitled to their opinions - doesn't mean they hate an entire group of people because they don't agree on some issues!

The word is often used in an attempt to intimidate people out of expressing any opinion that doesn't agree with their views on the subject! That is worse!

[calyman]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Not accepting gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe! Like some say the word bully gets thrown around this forum too much - so does the word homophobe, moreso!

People are entitled to their opinions - doesn't mean they hate an entire group of people because they don't agree on some issues!

The word is often used in an attempt to intimidate people out of expressing any opinion that doesn't agree with their views on the subject! That is worse!

So if he said he didn't want to marry a couple because one was black and one was white, what would your definition of his reason for not doing so, be.

Remember, there are some "Christian'" who do have this ethos.

In my view such people are racists, no less than if they refused same sex marriages, they are homophobes.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by calyman

So if he said he didn't want to marry a couple because one was black and one was white, what would your definition of his reason for not doing so, be.

Remember, there are some "Christian'" who do have this ethos.

In my view such people are racists, no less than if they refused same sex marriages, they are homophobes.

Exactly. It disgusts me how people are allowed to get away with being homophobic simply because it is against their religion...

What if the KKK were a religion?? Would their racial hatred be fine too??

[Blueisthecolour]

Originally Posted by calyman

I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

I don't think Dave belongs to a formal Christian Church does he?

Then again I can't think of many Churches which sanction same sex "Marriage", if any.

That's purely because they see "Marriage" as a union between a man and a woman, and because they see "Marriage" as a spiritual thing as well as a legal one.

A civil partnership is as legal as a "Marriage", whether it's same sex or opposite sex couples doing it.

Dave is indeed a homophobe is your opinion, mine is that he's not.

That's all.