[calyman]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Not accepting gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe! Like some say the word bully gets thrown around this forum too much - so does the word homophobe, moreso!

People are entitled to their opinions - doesn't mean they hate an entire group of people because they don't agree on some issues!

The word is often used in an attempt to intimidate people out of expressing any opinion that doesn't agree with their views on the subject! That is worse!

So if he said he didn't want to marry a couple because one was black and one was white, what would your definition of his reason for not doing so, be.

Remember, there are some "Christian'" who do have this ethos.

In my view such people are racists, no less than if they refused same sex marriages, they are homophobes.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Gay marriage is illegal, doesn't matter whether he would or wouldn't marry them.

What is a marriage? It's a union. What is a civil partnership? It's a union.

The only reason in Britain that it's called a civil partnership and not a marriage is precisely because of the homophobia inherrant in the religious bigots who did not want this right to be afforded to Homosexual people.

[Blueisthecolour]

Originally Posted by calyman

I'm fed up with this "I don't believe he's a homophobe" point.

If the Blessed Dave belonged to a Church whic disallowed marriage between black and white, he by consent with the ethos of that church would be considered a racist.

Similarly, it is intolerence and bigotry which precludes his church from sanctioning same sex marriages.

In both examples bigotry is at the heart of the church ethos, therfore by sanctioning it, you accept the bigotry. Dave is indeed a homophobe.

I don't think Dave belongs to a formal Christian Church does he?

Then again I can't think of many Churches which sanction same sex "Marriage", if any.

That's purely because they see "Marriage" as a union between a man and a woman, and because they see "Marriage" as a spiritual thing as well as a legal one.

A civil partnership is as legal as a "Marriage", whether it's same sex or opposite sex couples doing it.

Dave is indeed a homophobe is your opinion, mine is that he's not.

That's all.

[Peter Plunker]

It does indeed depend on your view of what marriage is. To me a marriage is a judeo-christian ceremony where a man and a woman ask God to bless their commitment to eachother and where they make a covenant together before God.

If you want a civil partnership then go for it, just keep God out of it.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by calyman

So if he said he didn't want to marry a couple because one was black and one was white, what would your definition of his reason for not doing so, be.

Remember, there are some "Christian'" who do have this ethos.

In my view such people are racists, no less than if they refused same sex marriages, they are homophobes.

Exactly. It disgusts me how people are allowed to get away with being homophobic simply because it is against their religion...

What if the KKK were a religion?? Would their racial hatred be fine too??

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

It does indeed depend on your view of what marriage is. To me a marriage is a judeo-christian ceremony where a man and a woman ask God to bless their commitment to eachother and where they make a covenant together before God.

If you want a civil partnership then go for it, just keep God out of it.

You can't though, because there are many homosexuals who are also religious, so to them it is very important to have the same marriage rights...

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

It does indeed depend on your view of what marriage is. To me a marriage is a judeo-christian ceremony where a man and a woman ask God to bless their commitment to eachother and where they make a covenant together before God.

If you want a civil partnership then go for it, just keep God out of it.

Obviously you are saying that Registry Office Marriages aren't "Before God"

I rather doubt that New Ecstatic "marriages" would be recognised anywhere.

[WOMBAI]

Marriage was primarily designed for procreation purposes - to create a unit providing security and stability for raising children! Not really a requirment for those not having children! A relationship committment - is not about marriage these days!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Marriage was primarily designed for procreation purposes - to create a unit providing security and stability for raising children! Not really a requirment for those not having children! A relationship committment - is not about marriage these days!

Precisely, God is not required!

[Just Do It]

I've never been a big fan or critic of Caoimhe, I just didn't see why people spent so much time dissing her or loving her. Now I find the longer she stays in the more I agree with a lot of what she says. Respect to the girl. At least she doesn't spend her time 'hiding' who she is. I find a lot of the other housemates trying too hard to be on their best behaviour. Just be yourself.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Just Do It

I've never been a big fan or critic of Caoimhe, I just didn't see why people spent so much time dissing her or loving her. Now I find the longer she stays in the more I agree with a lot of what she says. Respect to the girl. At least she doesn't spend her time 'hiding' who she is. I find a lot of the other housemates trying too hard to be on their best behaviour. Just be yourself.

Her opinion of religion in schools and the position of the Catholic church were quite valid points, unfortunately she expected an answer from a self confessed drunk and pothead and a bible thumping (Gospels only please, none of that other stuff!) nutter and she was never going to get it!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Just Do It

I've never been a big fan or critic of Caoimhe, I just didn't see why people spent so much time dissing her or loving her. Now I find the longer she stays in the more I agree with a lot of what she says. Respect to the girl. At least she doesn't spend her time 'hiding' who she is. I find a lot of the other housemates trying too hard to be on their best behaviour. Just be yourself.

Unfortuntely - in Keeva's case, herself clearly isn't very nice - that is the point, isn't it!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

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Unfortuntely - in Keeva's case, herself clearly isn't very nice - that is the point, isn't it!

Oh damn, I agree with that! lol