[crit]

JJ doesnt give a **** about anyone but himself.

[joeysteele]

Your post omitted some very offensive and important comments and the foul languaged way he put them as to the viewing public firetwilight .that is why your selective account of the events does not stand up totally.
The point is this is an argument with BEN, and you highlight that because you dont like Ben but JJ has argued with lots of housemates,mainly the female ones, he really wants a massive argument with Josie but she knows when to say her piece and then closes the door, he hasnt yet worked out the new housemates but if he stays in arguments will come with them too. He wont with Mario, Steve or Dave because they would slap him down like a fly.
You can highlight the argument with Ben all you like but its not his first major argument and perhaps he needs to be looked at on all the arguments he has said, one resulting in a warning for inappropriate behaviour by BB.
As I also said earlier never in any BB series have I heard any housemate make such a verbal attack on the viewing public,never, I hope BB do take him to task for it because in truth he is the real NON TEAM PLAYER in that house
The public do ultimately overall decide who stays and goes,they also decide with their money and time who wins the show and gets a prize of money too,if he doesn't care about them then get out and go home,simple as that but JJ supporters cammot grasp that reasoning,he does not have to be in there if he doesnt really care,and if he does really care then who does that make the real game player.

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your post omitted some very offensive and important comments and the foul languaged way he put them as to the viewing public firetwilight .that is why your selective account of the events does not stand up totally.
The point is this is an argument with BEN, and you highlight that because you dont like Ben but JJ has argued with lots of housemates,mainly the female ones, he really wants a massive argument with Josie but she knows when to say her piece and then closes the door, he hasnt yet worked out the new housemates but if he stays in arguments will come with them too. He wont with Mario, Steve or Dave because they would slap him down like a fly.
You can highlight the argument with Ben all you like but its not his first major argument and perhaps he needs to be looked at on all the arguments he has said, one resulting in a warning for inappropriate behaviour by BB.
As I also said earlier never in any BB series have I heard any housemate make such a verbal attack on the viewing public,never, I hope BB do take him to task for it because in truth he is the real NON TEAM PLAYER in that house
The public do ultimately overall decide who stays and goes,they also decide with their money and time who wins the show and gets a prize of money too,if he doesn't care about them then get out and go home,simple as that but JJ supporters cammot grasp that reasoning,he does not have to be in there if he doesnt really care,and if he does really care then who does that make the real game player.

Feel free to continue typing all of the final parts of Bens & JJs fight (taken from THE HL SHOW..remember we all have access to 4OD to hear it...

I don't think I need to repeat myself again...I clarified why I posted the above text from the show not my fault if you didnt bother to read my comments as to why I posted it

This has nothing to do with other arguements.. this is about the thread topic thats all ..please stay on topic..Im well aware of what you said earlier about in no other BB series.. lol trust me there has been so much worse in past years lol...I saw no point in rising to the bait on that one lol

[stoney]

ben is selfish but so is JJ.
he wants everything his way from bedroom party time, that has now got later since ben and keeley asked the rest to use other rooms when playing late at night
JJ is also allowe dto say anything he wants in whatever manner he wants but then turns on people over the simplest of comments.

The "argument" had nowt to do with what JJ ranted about. He started by having a go at ben over ben using external factors (home/family etc) when Ben is making his bitchy comebacks and then JJ changed it to be all about Ben not trying in tasks and no longer caring about teh outside world.

But the real reason for the fight was JJ was in a foul mood and had been from his fight with ife and was annoyed at having to do teh Ben TOT task and to get himself some more airtime

[30stone]

He has the right attitude!?

What happens in the house is nothing to do with us unless big borther says we can vote on something.

He has a problem with ben ben has a problem with him thats for them to sort out not us.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by 30stone

He has the right attitude!?

What happens in the house is nothing to do with us unless big borther says we can vote on something.

He has a problem with ben ben has a problem with him thats for them to sort out not us.

John has a problem with Ben's ubiquitous answer "well the public can decide". John has the problem that implies his actions are likely to mean 11 people are cold showering n eating sh1te for a week in the meantime.

What John essentially said is who gives an 'eff of the public vote if you make 11 other people suffer as a consequnce of your selfishness

[MargeryFan]

As much as I can't stand JJ and love Ben. This has been massively taken out of context.

[Angus]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/GET...29721063725366

[Kazanne]

A demitasse would fit his head like a sombrero.

[stoney]

but JJ has cost them a luxury budget whereas ben won them one tho so as usual JJ was talking repetitive cr@p

[Kaaarenn!]

Shows he's just being himself and who he wants to be and not being someone else who is trying to impress the public and it's no point going in there worrying about the public think because then you can't be yourself and enjoy your time in there.

[Claymores]

A crowd chant of "Get Ben Out" takes on a whole new meaning for the ridiculous queen!

[stoney]

Originally Posted by Kaaarenn!

Shows he's just being himself and who he wants to be and not being someone else who is trying to impress the public and it's no point going in there worrying about the public think because then you can't be yourself and enjoy your time in there.

utter bullshine.

he tells us toooooooo often that he doesn't care what the public thinks then uses it as a stick to attack ben.
He was looking for an argument last night and was walking around with his face tripping him becuse he was not centre stage. Ben was. So cue the lets attack ben , initially over a comment that JJ laughed about with Ben in the snug, over using things from outside in ben's bitchy insults. Then flip flop its now all about how ben never tries in any tasks and costs them hot water and food when ben has never cost them food but JJ has and how Ben is using BB to further HIS career something JJ would never do.
But all thru his repetitive aggressive rant he was insisting that Ben had to change or he would go on attacking him over it but that he was going to be himself, altho he says he will try to control his aggression, cos he doesnt give a feck what anyone out here thinks of him( except for when he attacks others for making him look bad on tv[josie,ife,ss,ben,dave])

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Originally Posted by stoney

utter bullshine.

he tells us toooooooo often that he doesn't care what the public thinks then uses it as a stick to attack ben.
He was looking for an argument last night and was walking around with his face tripping him becuse he was not centre stage. Ben was. So cue the lets attack ben , initially over a comment that JJ laughed about with Ben in the snug, over using things from outside in ben's bitchy insults. Then flip flop its now all about how ben never tries in any tasks and costs them hot water and food when ben has never cost them food but JJ has and how Ben is using BB to further HIS career something JJ would never do.
But all thru his repetitive aggressive rant he was insisting that Ben had to change or he would go on attacking him over it but that he was going to be himself, altho he says he will try to control his aggression, cos he doesnt give a feck what anyone out here thinks of him( except for when he attacks others for making him look bad on tv[josie,ife,ss,ben,dave])

Ben brought it up NOT JJ...

[ange7]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

Ben brought it up NOT JJ...

"he tells us toooooooo often that he doesn't care what the public thinks then uses it as a stick to attack ben." This isn't a contradiction Stoney hehe
lol firewire, Stoney thinks his made a point but actually made yours for you.

"to attack ben"
awwww poor Ben. The one who started with the unemployed dig and then "your so stupid JJ". And JJ defends himself but for that he's the attacker lol. Ben can't answer and won't apologise ( even in his usual mealy mouthed way) so JJ repeats it till Ben concedes. Obviously Ben won't admit to being wrong when it involves the "lesser" JJ which means more fun for us as Ben ummms and arrrs. Loved it.

[stoney]

ben mentioned it in passing.

JJ made a big thing of it and has said so before too

and he has used it to attack other inmates for making him look bad to the outside world

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Originally Posted by stoney

ben mentioned it in passing.

JJ made a big thing of it and has said so before too

and he has used it to attack other inmates for making him look bad to the outside world

oh look jackanory is on.. *wanders off*

[stoney]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

oh look jackanory is on.. *wanders off*

why not just put me on ignore rather than your pathetic attempt at wit

or even better point out the errors in what i have said perhaps

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Originally Posted by stoney

why not just put me on ignore rather than your pathetic attempt at wit

or even better point out the errors in what i have said perhaps

we all have opinions I just like mine better lol

[RosieRed xxx]

JJ was saying he is not going to act differently because of the public which is fine, Ben could have got up and walked away at any time, why say to dave "I cant bear ths" when he was there carrying on when he could have stopped it at any time?????

JJ was right Ben is not a team player and because he admits it he thinks its ok. However I did feel for Ben because he had just had a lovely time in the diary room and then went out to an arguement. Anyway they kissed and made up ages ago so shall we just forget it and move on??????

[AusFan]

Don't get wrong, I like Ben and am a bigger fan of Ben's then JJ's all things considering although I think Ben doing the standup ruined him a little because now he knows he's popular he thinks he can get away with anything now. It's good to hear if they made up because I think JJ sometimes forgets that Ben stood up for JJ during the opening few weeks.

I don't know if I could hang out with JJ but I think he would be alot more easygoing in the real world and not locked inside a compound 24/7. I agree he takes he anger out on people to ease the tension within himself (a very common trait) but that's just the way he is (same with Shabby) and the HM's are free to nominate him to leave the house if they can't live with him.

[Tessier Ashpool]

Originally Posted by AusFan

I don't know if I could hang out with JJ but I think he would be alot more easygoing in the real world and not locked inside a compound 24/7. I agree he takes he anger out on people to ease the tension within himself (a very common trait) but that's just the way he is (same with Shabby) and the HM's are free to nominate him to leave the house if they can't live with him.

True, it is a very common trait, in all of us to a lesser degree - I think John would be a lot more chilled in rl. That's BB's thing though - it strips away all the fluff and puts the HMs under extreme pressure. Brings out their darker behaviour ten fold. I guess it boils down to what kind of b-stard we can accept into our hearts

[Braden]

John James is starting to turn into Freddie imo.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Braden

John James is starting to turn into Freddie imo.

But Freddie was nice,I see no comparison at all,unless you mean he was popular and is now on dodgy ground with the public

[Julesuk]

the pure fact that some people have made the comments that they have show that they detest JJ and doesnt matter what happens they will always find negative in him. His a - gameplayer and will do anything to win - wouldnt ***** the public stop him from winning and make the other housemates nominate him??????? Hats off to you JJ, Ben was totally in the wrong he has no right to judge any of the housemates reference their home life, employment status etc etc ( I would be saying this no matter which housemate he said it about) I am actually beginning to think Ben is the one with issues he continually discusses JJ with Dave in the snug its almost like his obsessed with the bloke or more likely sees him as a threat