[Livia]

Originally Posted by angus58

I don't need to look it up, I saw the original film by Mel Brooks (who is Jewish) and took it for what it was, a satirical pisstake of the nazis. Only humourless a*seholes would take it for anything else. It might have got negative reviews, but the film was a MASSIVE hit, long before it ever got to the stage.

Using your reasoning about the play having a Jewish writer and director, then Ben should be allowed his opinion more than most since he himself is JEWISH.

I don't know a jew who doesn't find The Producers funny. I've seen the film and the stage version. I think most Jewish people take stuff in good humour if that's the way it's meant. It probably got negative reviews from Gentiles being outraged on our behalf.

Love Mel Brooks, incidentally... "Mr Brooks, what do you say to the people who accuse you of bad taste?" "I say up yours!"

[Livia]

Originally Posted by angus58

The state of Israel only came into being in 1948, but the jews have always regarded the land occupied by the Palestinians as "the promised land" that was promised to the descendants of Jacob (the Jews) by God. To Jews, Israel is the promised land and they will NEVER give it up. They view the Palestinians as squatters so I can't see peace breaking out any time soon.

I know all this. How many more times have I got to say I'm a Jew?! LOL...

You know what'd be good? If everyone realised that their time on Earth is finite and they'd all be so much happier if they learned to play nicely and share.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by angus58

I don't need to look it up, I saw the original film by Mel Brooks (who is Jewish) and took it for what it was, a satirical pisstake of the nazis. Only humourless a*seholes would take it for anything else. It might have got negative reviews, but the film was a MASSIVE hit, long before it ever got to the stage.

Using your reasoning about the play having a Jewish writer and director, then Ben should be allowed his opinion more than most since he himself is JEWISH.

You acted like no one batted an eyelid when in fact the film received mainly negative reviews based on its tasteless content.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know a jew who doesn't find The Producers funny. I've seen the film and the stage version. I think most Jewish people take stuff in good humour if that's the way it's meant. It probably got negative reviews from Gentiles being outraged on our behalf.

Love Mel Brooks, incidentally... "Mr Brooks, what do you say to the people who accuse you of bad taste?" "I say up yours!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo

I defy anyone not to find this hilarious!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know all this. How many more times have I got to say I'm a Jew?! LOL...

You know what'd be good? If everyone realised that their time on Earth is finite and they'd all be so much happier if they learned to play nicely and share.

Lol, it was really for the benefit of those FMs who don't seem to have a clue!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You acted like no one batted an eyelid when in fact the film received mainly negative reviews based on its tasteless content.

My point is that as usual the PC brigade took it upon themselves to be outraged on behalf of the Jewish people, when in fact it was a pisstake that denigrated and humiliated nazism, not promoted it.

[brian3]

Originally Posted by angus58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo

I defy anyone not to find this hilarious!

There is a world of difference between a Mel Brooks film and Prince Harry acting like a twat. I dont think he set out to poke fun at anyone. Dont think he set out to offend either. He just did not think.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by angus58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo

I defy anyone not to find this hilarious!

LOL... thanks for that haven't seen it for ages. Watched it all the way through. The way I see it, it's the jews making the Nazi party look like a bunch of ridiculous tossers.

[lynz]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Ben did say thet people like Goebels were not really Nazis, just misunderstood nationalists!

I do think that one would need to hear the entire conversation rather than snippets to understand what he is talking about, bearing in mind that Ben himself is Jewish. Far too often snippets of conversation on heard on BB and immediately with part of a sentence but no idea of the conversation a thread such as this is started

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by angus58

My point is that as usual the PC brigade took it upon themselves to be outraged on behalf of the Jewish people, when in fact it was a pisstake that denigrated and humiliated nazism, not promoted it.

If you ever get to watch 'Hollywoodism, Jews, Movies' he looks at some of these including 'The Great Dictator' and how it was NOT Jews who were concerned about mocking Nazis but some USA government people were worried about antagonizing Nazis the wrong way. (the doc explains the details more).

BTW.. one of the most outrageous and funniest things I ever saw was Sarah Silvermans season finale and her Nazi.

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

If you ever get to watch 'Hollywoodism, Jews, Movies' he looks at some of these including 'The Great Dictator' and how it was NOT Jews who were concerned about mocking Nazis but some USA government people were worried about antagonizing Nazis the wrong way. (the doc explains the details more).

BTW.. one of the most outrageous and funniest things I ever saw was Sarah Silvermans season finale and her Nazi.

Hey, some of the funniest movies are and were made by the Jews, who dressed up and mocked them to the hills.

There was this great Jewish commic who used to do a mean Hitler, name on the tip of my tongue, just cannot get it out. DAMN.

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by fingers

What's melodramatic about that. You probably think that Slobbo Milosevic was a hero and Radovan Karadzic just a poor misguided philanthropist!

Oh please, put a sock in it.

[Tom4784]

What was the context he said it in though? That's what is important here.

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know a jew who doesn't find The Producers funny. I've seen the film and the stage version. I think most Jewish people take stuff in good humour if that's the way it's meant. It probably got negative reviews from Gentiles being outraged on our behalf.

Love Mel Brooks, incidentally... "Mr Brooks, what do you say to the people who accuse you of bad taste?" "I say up yours!"

That is it, Mel Brooke's!

[starry]

Originally Posted by Hero1

People are way too sensitive, while Israel are blowing bits out of the Palestinians, no one is allowed to talk about the Nazi's fancy dress or clarifications of nationalities, a little prespective people.

I hate Nazis and Zionists, both ethnic nationalists.

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by starry

I hate Nazis and Zionists, both ethnic nationalists.

I hate war full stop period, whether it is in Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, Dafur, Indonisia, Palestine, Lebonon, Syria, Cambodia, Vietnam or wherever. I am against war and against anyone who sells arms, sells cluster bombs and who are the aggresors of the war in fear or lies.

No one who wages war is right.

[MrBlack]

I wonder if Caoimhe dressed up as an IRA terrorist, complete with boiler suit and balaclava, with IRA emblazoned on the front..what would the opinion be.

There is thread after thread on Caoimhe, everything from her hair, to her b/f to anything that she does in the house.

yet anyone who says anything about Bender is reprimanded.

Bender is a buffoon, he is a cross of Mr Bean with Boris Johnson.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by fingers

He will defend ANY controversial happening, mentioning that in Austria and Germany people can go to prison over Nazi stunts, He thinks that is wrong as well! (on LF)

Why would he give a crap about a Nazi fancy dress costume?

He has already made it clear he thinks that the Nazis should have been dealt with by non interference and appeasement in order to save money for the Empire.

Why would a little thing like that bother him?

[Alpertinator]

It is wrong that people can go to prison for dressing as a nazi in Germany and Austria.

And I defend Prince Harrys' nazi stunt. He went to a party dressed as a nazi, now anyone who developed the idea that he was a nazi supporter or sympathiser on account of this... is just... really not with it.

It was a joke, and I applaud him for it because it was brave and not only that, the Nazi party was made up of deranged and deluded people who were just an entire embarrasment simply by existing. They are funny. Funny because of how illogical their actions and beliefs were. Unfortunately there is a horrendous dark side to the existence of the nazi party, and for this anyone who genuinely is a nazi supporter or considers themself a nazi (Romper Stomper) should be punished. But you can't take coming to a fancy dress party as a nazi so seriously.

The guy was taking the piss out of the nazi party. He was taking the piss out of a group of people who deserve no sympathy and really deserve to be mocked and ridiculed.

This of course makes it seem as though I'm defending Ben! Which I really am not... no way.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGp0hCxSg98

[LadyNay]

.. interesting thread!