[MTVN]

Whats all this **** about "working for a sick regime", that is one of the most exaggerated claims I've seen on this forum in my short time (and I've already seen a lot)

The Press TV channel is not purely intended to publicise and promote the Iranian regime. It has actually produced programs that have been critical of the government and covered reports such as protests over the states control. It has an international audience and has presenters from several different countries

Ben was not promoting the Iranian regime by doing this and anyone who says otherwise should at least do some research into the channel first. Sure, they have been criticised as biased by some people, but all tv channels are biased in one way or another

[johnx]

Personally Im more offended by him appearing on ITV2 on Ladette to Lady.

ITV2 is the mouthpeice of a sick regime attempting to dumb down the British public through shows like When Fern Cotten Met Paris Hilton.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Whats all this **** about "working for a sick regime", that is one of the most exaggerated claims I've seen on this forum in my short time (and I've already seen a lot)

The Press TV channel is not purely intended to publicise and promote the Iranian regime. It has actually produced programs that have been critical of the government and covered reports such as protests over the states control. It has an international audience and has presenters from several different countries

Ben was not promoting the Iranian regime by doing this and anyone who says otherwise should at least do some research into the channel first. Sure, they have been criticised as biased by some people, but all tv channels are biased in one way or another

Press TV is wholly owned and funded by the Iranian government, spin it how you will.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

didn't the AUS government send troops on the request of the afgan government to keep the taliban out?
Did the CIVILIAN democracy supporters slaughtered in the streets ask their Iranian government to murder them.

You see these 2 things as comparable do you?

I would suggest you go back and look at the initial invasion, it certainly wasnt at the invite of the Afghan Government. It was at the invite of the US President at the time. (Heres a hint, the Taliban were the fucking Afghan government at the time.)

[ange7]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Whats all this **** about "working for a sick regime", that is one of the most exaggerated claims I've seen on this forum in my short time (and I've already seen a lot)

The Press TV channel is not purely intended to publicise and promote the Iranian regime. It has actually produced programs that have been critical of the government and covered reports such as protests over the states control. It has an international audience and has presenters from several different countries

Ben was not promoting the Iranian regime by doing this and anyone who says otherwise should at least do some research into the channel first. Sure, they have been criticised as biased by some people, but all tv channels are biased in one way or another

"t has actually produced programs that have been critical of the government and covered reports such as protests over the states control"
complete bollox mate. No way. State owned, state run ... and runs the government line every time. Please don't make stuff up.

"but all tv channels are biased in one way or another"
OMG the LENGTHS that ben lovers will go to to excuse Benny boy. Awesome. :"Come on the atrocities commited and the white wash by the Iranian press wasn't so bad was it?.... oh and Ben just took the cash... he didn't kill anyone!.... all countries do that don't they?... as for the papers... well all papers are biased aren't they?"

lol jesus!

Mate that's not "bias"... that's a noose around the neck of democracy.
Ben ticked that box :P

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

Now you equate the UK government with a totalitarian regime who butches democracy supporters in the streets? In the UK your VOTE is your say and your conscience. In Irain your vote isn't worth sh*t. But you want to compare British tax payers with an Iranian dictatorship. This is some next level sh*t right here hehe

The question you quoted was in response to:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy
Well said ,I would not work for any sick regime no mater if they paid me or not ,its called having morals

Whilst the UK and Australian Governments may be a few levels above the Iranian Government they most certainly not as squeaky clean as you would have us believe.

[johnx]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I would suggest you go back and look at the initial invasion, it certainly wasnt at the invite of the Afghan Government. It was at the invite of the US President at the time. (Heres a hint, the Taliban were the fucking Afghan government at the time.)

The very respectable George W. Bush under who's regime innocent Americans were gunned down by the millitary in New Orleans during the Hurricane Katrina disaster-those involved have been charged this week.Taking the moral high ground is a very complex issue.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

"t has actually produced programs that have been critical of the government and covered reports such as protests over the states control"
complete bollox mate. No way. State owned, state run ... and runs the government line every time. Please don't make stuff up.

"but all tv channels are biased in one way or another"
OMG the LENGTHS that ben lovers will go to to excuse Benny boy. Awesome. :"Come on the atrocities commited and the white wash by the Iranian press wasn't so bad was it?.... oh and Ben just took the cash... he didn't kill anyone!.... all countries do that don't they?... as for the papers... well all papers are biased aren't they?"

lol jesus!

Mate that's not "bias"... that's a noose around the neck of democracy.
Ben ticked that box :P

Before you start whining about him taking the money from a blood stained regime wouldnt it be better to actually seek out his report and see how factual and unbiaised it was.

After all isnt it better for an unbiaised report about democracy rather then the Iranian sending over their own flunkie who could have put any sort of government spin on it?

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I would suggest you go back and look at the initial invasion, it certainly wasnt at the invite of the Afghan Government. It was at the invite of the US President at the time. (Heres a hint, the Taliban were the fucking Afghan government at the time.)

What ??? Now your on about the invasion? Fly in glass box mate.
Hamid Karzai was in Australia asking for troops. Your talking of Australia weren't we?
European and US forces kicking out the taliban who treated women like cattle and used football pitches to carry out public death penalties. But oh no... but for YOU this is like a government killing it's own. Please mate? These aren't the same.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by ange7

"t has actually produced programs that have been critical of the government and covered reports such as protests over the states control"
complete bollox mate. No way. State owned, state run ... and runs the government line every time. Please don't make stuff up.

"but all tv channels are biased in one way or another"
OMG the LENGTHS that ben lovers will go to to excuse Benny boy. Awesome. :"Come on the atrocities commited and the white wash by the Iranian press wasn't so bad was it?.... oh and Ben just took the cash... he didn't kill anyone!.... all countries do that don't they?... as for the papers... well all papers are biased aren't they?"

lol jesus!

Mate that's not "bias"... that's a noose around the neck of democracy.
Ben ticked that box :P

Say what you wont but I didnt make that up, they have. When some students were staging a demonstration against the State's control over it's citizens they reported it, there's one example. You have this picture of it as just endlessly streaming out Iranian propoganda 24/7 which is untrue

And all tv channels are biased aren't they? It's true that they give more air time to pro-government guests but they have also had members ofthe opposition as guests albeit not for several months. Dont get me wrong, the channel is not without criticism, but they do not just promote the Iranian regime and the acts they have commited

You criticise Ben for appearing on the channel but a number of British journalists and politicians have, he's hardly on his own. They asked him to cover the election for them and he agreed. It doesnt exactly mean he is now a leading proponent of Ahmedinejad and his regime

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Before you start whining about him taking the money from a blood stained regime wouldnt it be better to actually seek out his report and see how factual and unbiaised it was.

After all isnt it better for an unbiaised report about democracy rather then the Iranian sending over their own flunkie who could have put any sort of government spin on it?

"whining" ... yeah ... very tasteful in light of the dead and murdered. Advocating their cause is "whining". lol ahave a listen to your self.
"After all isnt it better for an unbiaised report about democracy rather then"
Who paid the cheque? Why assume that the reason that one person is biased or not is their nationality and not the cash in their pocket? ...

[johnx]

At least he gets to know the result of the election before the voting starts.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Say what you wont but I didnt make that up, they have. When some students were staging a demonstration against the State's control over it's citizens they reported it, there's one example. You have this picture of it as just endlessly streaming out Iranian propoganda 24/7 which is untrue

And all tv channels are biased aren't they? It's true that they give more air time to pro-government guests but they have also had members ofthe opposition as guests albeit not for several months. Dont get me wrong, the channel is not without criticism, but they do not just promote the Iranian regime and the acts they have commited

You criticise Ben for appearing on the channel but a number of British journalists and politicians have, he's hardly on his own. They asked him to cover the election for them and he agreed. It doesnt exactly mean he is now a leading proponent of Ahmedinejad and his regime

Nor did I ever say he was. The cash is tainted... he knows it is. That "other" correspondents do some work with a state sponsored mouth piece doesn't back Ben's stand in the least.
As for reports that come out of Iran that are not censored well we have twitter, facebook and other social networking sites to thank.... not the "kind of biased" state media.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

What ??? Now your on about the invasion? Fly in glass box mate.
Hamid Karzai was in Australia asking for troops. Your talking of Australia weren't we?
European and US forces kicking out the taliban who treated women like cattle and used football pitches to carry out public death penalties. But oh no... but for YOU this is like a government killing it's own. Please mate? These aren't the same.

With all due respect to your apparent lack of understanding, the point I am making is that in 2001 the Australian Covernment sent its Forces to operate under the Americans, invading a country governed by the Taleban.

The Invasion was because Al Quaeda had training camps in the country and US Intelligence (an oxymoron in itself) believed the current hide and seek world champion, one Mr bin liner(Osama Bin Laden) was at large in the country, the spams wanted the camps closed and the AQ leadership handed over to the US for trial.

The Taleban refused because the Americans wouldnt give any evidence for their claims. The US then sent out invites to the UK and Australia to head to Afghanistan for a party where the Afghan Government - the Taleban where removed from power by the invading forces.

Replacing the outgoing government eventually with a "democratically" elected government favourable to the US/UK which in 2006 asked for troops to be sent back in, to support them.

In between 2001 and 2006 US UK and Australian Special Forces still operated in the country trying to find the undisputed World Hide and Seek Champion.

[LadyNay]

So we could say all you who work at Supermarkets are contributing to a capitalist system that keeps the poor poor and the rich rich. Those of you working in high street stores that sell goods made by indiginous poplaces in dangerous conditions or for terrible pay, are just as bad... we could go on & on.... Silly argument

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LadyNay

So we could say all you who work at Supermarkets are contributing to a capitalist system that keeps the poor poor and the rich rich. Those of you working in high street stores that sell goods made by indiginous poplaces in dangerous conditions or for terrible pay, are just as bad... we could go on & on.... Silly argument

Exactly!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by LadyNay

So we could say all you who work at Supermarkets are contributing to a capitalist system that keeps the poor poor and the rich rich. Those of you working in high street stores that sell goods made by indiginous poplaces in dangerous conditions or for terrible pay, are just as bad... we could go on & on.... Silly argument

Just a little off topic, but it had the desired effect!

[ange7]

"With all due respect to your apparent lack of understanding"
Don't get trolly champ.
Nothing there backs your argument that other governments or the British tax payers have the same amount of blood on their hands as the Iranian dictatorship. Thanks for the wiki cut and paste but that info really didn't back your point at all. Now it's 2 am here in Sydney and it's way past my bed time. Ta for the argument. Don't get bitchy next time :P

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by ange7

Nor did I ever say he was. The cash is tainted... he knows it is. That "other" correspondents do some work with a state sponsored mouth piece doesn't back Ben's stand in the least.
As for reports that come out of Iran that are not censored well we have twitter, facebook and other social networking sites to thank.... not the "kind of biased" state media.

Well I dont really see how he in any way contributed to the promotion of the regime just by covering the British general election for them, but whatever. Agree to disagree.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

"With all due respect to your apparent lack of understanding"
Don't get trolly champ.
Nothing there backs your argument that other governments or the British tax payers have the same amount of blood on their hands as the Iranian dictatorship. Thanks for the wiki cut and paste but that info really didn't back your point at all. Now it's 2 am here in Sydney and it's way past my bed time. Ta for the argument. Don't get bitchy next time :P

What wiki cut and paste?

Instead of trying to score points off people by throwing BS accusations why dont you try forming a legitimate argument. Argue on thepoints levelled as opposed to flying off at tangents.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Exactly!

nah that your point that she said was silly.
but now YOU say ..."exactly"?
Shaswon thinks the UK people have the same blood on their hands as Iranian death squads who kill civilians. He's argument was British taxpayers who sent soldiers to stabilize Afghanistan are EQUALLY as guilty as the regime in Iran.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

nah that your point that she said was silly.
but now YOU say ..."exactly"?
Shaswon thinks the UK people have the same blood on their hands as Iranian death squads who kill civilians. He's argument was British taxpayers who sent soldiers to stabilize Afghanistan are EQUALLY as guilty as the regime in Iran.

Thanks for trying to put words into my mouth, that isnt the point at all. But you can go to bed now happy in the knowledge that you won the moralistic argument, well at least in your own mind.

Ben is an evil man supporting and maintaining the Iranian Government. After all you said he is.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Shasown

What wiki cut and paste?

Instead of trying to score points off people by throwing BS accusations why dont you try forming a legitimate argument. Argue on thepoints levelled as opposed to flying off at tangents.

"With all due respect to your apparent lack of understanding"
is you "trying to score points".
You have yet to argue your point. It's still on the table where you left it and went off on a tangent about invasion timetable.
Which is worse?
Iranian government murdering democracy protesters or UK citizen paying taxes that pay for the war in Afghanistan?
That WAS your point. And you dropped it as soon as you got some heat. Argue it or kindly suuuush..tfu :P

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ange7

"With all due respect to your apparent lack of understanding"
is you "trying to score points".
You have yet to argue your point. It's still on the table where you left it and went off on a tangent about invasion timetable.
Which is worse?
Iranian government murdering democracy protesters or UK citizen paying taxes that pay for the war in Afghanistan?
That WAS your point. And you dropped it as soon as you got some heat. Argue it or kindly suuuush..tfu :P

What Wiki cut and paste?

How is reporting as freelance correspondent for any TV station supporting a particular regime?

As for my point if you are questioning someones morals shouldnt you make sure your own morals are squeaky clean?

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thanks for trying to put words into my mouth, that isnt the point at all. But you can go to bed now happy in the knowledge that you won the moralistic argument, well at least in your own mind.

Ben is an evil man supporting and maintaining the Iranian Government. After all you said he is.

" Originally Posted by Shasown
"Do you pay taxes to the UK Government?"
to chuff

you argued the same with me and the Australian government. Back you argument... it's yours. If I were you I'd disown it too :P