[stoney]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

he swears, drinks? bitches, judges and gossips about people all the time..he's got a long way to go to be a proper christian, he's got faults to work on.

Has he claimed to be a faultless christian? They don't show much of him so i don't know.
Anyway there isn't such a thing as a faultless christian.

he only claims to be a christian not Christ himself so as such is allowed human frailties but not from some of his haters it seems

[fingers]

Originally Posted by housemate

Sorry, but if he wanted to go in the house as an ordinary Joe Bloggs he wouldn't within the past hour have claimed to gone in the house to get his views in the Media ... he wouldn't have walked in as a Monk, he wouldn't spout his nonsense about getting wasted on the Glory and as the friend he claims to be, he wouldn't keep trying to set Ben up for even more bad feeling from John and others!

Ah, But he was chosen by GOD to enter the house, GOD told him so! it's all here:

Youtube video

[Kazanne]

Did they say anything about mario in all this?

Andrew asked for five volunteers, and said that five new housemates would enter from "a second house".

Corin, JJ, Josie, John James and David volunteered, while the other housemates, including Ben and Mario, stayed on the ground. John James and David both challenged Ben after the event, asking why he had not volunteered to leave so that new housemate JJ could stay.

John James and David continued to deride Ben for his actions throughout the afternoon, with the Australian saying: "[JJ'd] proven himself in two seconds, that's more than Benny's done in 47 days." The housemates laughed, with David adding: "He'll grow some stones one day. Rachel's seen through him." Rachel then joined in in ridiculing Ben, saying: "Yeah, the accent threw me. I was sucked in by the quiff."

[zotec]

hmmm. Im worried should Dave be nominated, he would have an unfair advantage to be kept in by all his brainwashed sloshfesters using donations for the phone calls.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by housemate

I don't think there is much Christianity in setting your friend up for a fall? Dave has many times this week offered up Ben to the other HMs, he isn;t a christian or a friend.

Absolutely agree. I wish Ben would realize he's not a friend.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by fingers

Ah, But he was chosen by GOD to enter the house, GOD told him so! it's all here:

Youtube video

The problem with you fingers is that you are inconsistent in your belief system. You insist Dave is 'faking this' and type the 'C word' at every chance,
yet,
you will also argue that David is a problem because he does believe in all his drunken glory God-ordained business.

He is not a 'Charlatan' or a fake and that video is exhibit A - he sincerely believes this nonsense and sooner or later you will realize that is no defense of David.
I'd feel better knowing he WAS a fraud. I am far more disturbed these people really DO believe it.

But here is more the problem/complaint with too many of these topics now:
- They are themselves higher-standard and 'hypocritical' judgments.
Example:
On any given day any human HM had a bad one, was aggravated and took a complaint to the others where it became 'gossiping' or 'back-biting'. OK.
But here some have decided that David gets held to one standard and attributed massive guilt,
yet,
would never apply it to anyone else in there.
"He said he was perfectly moral and therefore I caught him do some gossiping so therefore he is deemed evil, a liar, a fraud and a worthless human being!"

Housemate X does the same thing and: "did you hear so-and-so gossiping like that... that was out of order.. they annoy me now!"

Add to that people like fingers who do not grasp the most basic theological concepts and what a Christian might mean when they say they believe 'God put them there',
and,
add to this a handful of members who have such a hatred for Christianity that they can't get through a post without using David's 'unpleasant laugh' as all the excuse to declare their atheism beliefs the most righteously justified superior belief system on the planet.

hmmm. Im worried should Dave be nominated, he would have an unfair advantage to be kept in by all his brainwashed sloshfesters using donations for the phone calls.

I'm sure you were just being a bit cheeky but - if you were seriously complaining - this could be an example of 'double standards' though.
HMs have fans and supporters.
Some because they are from.. Manchester! Some get voting campaigns because people in their company/business rally for them.. every year it seems the 'girl power' rep is chosen and voted to the max,
and,
for example Steve could get a massive boost from military people rallying for him.
So if David has his core supporters then its no more 'fair or unfair' than anyone else with any other crowd behind them.

[fingers]

He's a Charlatan, oops, there I said it!!

[Late for the Party]

WHY DAVE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LET INTO THE BB HOUSE:
Would they have put in an Islamic fundamentalist....not in a million years, would they put in a scientologist, nope. I'd even go as far as to say they wouldn't put in an ultra orthodox jewish person in there.....But a christian fundamentalist, hey no probs roll out the red carpet.
Its totally wrong, it causes conflict and breeds sectarianism, you can't denie it, i could link about 50 threads on this site alone.
Disregard weather you like him or dislike him, if only for the sake of balance, he shouldn't be allowed in there.
I'm not a "hater" of anyone, I'm not Atheist, I am Anti-theist

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Atheism.....the most righteously justified superior belief system on the planet.

Quoted for truth

[BJ]

Originally Posted by stoney

Dave, like all the inmates in there, is playing the game.
Is he the only one not allowed to

but how should he act as a christian and what religion are the others and should they act that way 24/7 too

Its just a shame people refuse to judge him solely on how he acts in the house, in the same way they judge all the others, rather than what their perception of him from a few utube moments

I think the YouTube pieces say it all

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

WHY DAVE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LET INTO THE BB HOUSE:
.....But a christian fundamentalist, hey no probs roll out the red carpet.
Its totally wrong, it causes conflict and breeds sectarianism,

but that answers your questions. He is in there because he practices a bizarre, strange Christianity which is known to be called 'shameful' to the Church at large and an embarrassing representation.

(they are definitely not 'fundamentalists' but that is beside the point i think).

I am Anti-theist

Well he is helping your cause.
I think you might be admired here because I think you are saying you don't want your cause winning points at 'any cost' or by contrived gimmicks like putting a David in there to promote antichristian sentiments?

[fingers]

He's a Charlatan!

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Dave is deffo the evil monk Rasputin of the house. Have you noticed how he is setting Ben up to be nominated - just the same as he done with Caoimhe (although she wasn't popular by many in there). I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ben gets a lot of nominations this week, all down to Dave.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

WHY DAVE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LET INTO THE BB HOUSE:
Would they have put in an Islamic fundamentalist....not in a million years, would they put in a scientologist, nope. I'd even go as far as to say they wouldn't put in an ultra orthodox jewish person in there.....But a christian fundamentalist, hey no probs roll out the red carpet.
Its totally wrong, it causes conflict and breeds sectarianism, you can't denie it, i could link about 50 threads on this site alone.
Disregard weather you like him or dislike him, if only for the sake of balance, he shouldn't be allowed in there.
I'm not a "hater" of anyone, I'm not Atheist, I am Anti-theist

They would hopefully not have put an Islamic fundamentalist in (tantamount to a terrorist) but how do you know they wouldn't have put any of the others you mention in! Do you have a direct line to the producers or something?

I see no reason why a scientologist, an orthodox jew or anyone from most other religions couldn't/shouldn't go in - so no reason why Dave shouldn't be there!

[fingers]

Why would they put a Charlatan in?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

WHY DAVE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN LET INTO THE BB HOUSE:
Would they have put in an Islamic fundamentalist....not in a million years, would they put in a scientologist, nope. I'd even go as far as to say they wouldn't put in an ultra orthodox jewish person in there.....But a christian fundamentalist, hey no probs roll out the red carpet.
Its totally wrong, it causes conflict and breeds sectarianism, you can't denie it, i could link about 50 threads on this site alone.
Disregard weather you like him or dislike him, if only for the sake of balance, he shouldn't be allowed in there.
I'm not a "hater" of anyone, I'm not Atheist, I am Anti-theist

Dave is not a fundamentalist.

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

but that answers your questions. He is in there because he practices a bizarre, strange Christianity which is known to be called 'shameful' to the Church at large and an embarrassing representation.

(they are definitely not 'fundamentalists' but that is beside the point i think).



Well he is helping your cause.

It wasn't a question it was a statement and my point still stands: No religious preacher, regardless of which cult/sect/religion they belong to, should be allowed in there.
I am, also, not trying to win any points of any kind for any cause, i was just letting people know where i stand on the subject.
Yes it was a contrived gimmick, putting Dave in there, but if it was to premote anti-christian sentiments, is totally subjective. Christians would see it like this. I on the other hand don't, I reckon it was the producers being narrow minded, put him in for the shock value, but they never thought about the consequences i.e. promotion of a undeniably crazy sect of fanatics, who are attracting vulnerable, ex-drug addicts and alcoholics, and convincing them to pay up or Eff off.
I'm not anti-christian, i am anti religion, which is why, if i do have any cause, Dave is certainly not helping it.

[Colbert-Bump]

Dave to be runner-up!

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

They would hopefully not have put an Islamic fundamentalist in (tantamount to a terrorist) but how do you know they wouldn't have put any of the others you mention in! Do you have a direct line to the producers or something?

I see no reason why a scientologist, an orthodox jew or anyone from most other religions couldn't/shouldn't go in - so no reason why Dave shouldn't be there!

The wouldn't in my opinion......Why shouldn't dave be in there? in my opinion: It should be a totally secular show in my opinion

In the broad sense, fundamentalism may be used to describe Christians who are uncompromising, conservative and who take their beliefs to the maximum, with views too radical for the balanced, evangelical Christian. For this reason, fundamentalism may no longer be a term which accurately conveys what orthodox Christians really believe.

My point still stands

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

It wasn't a question it was a statement and my point still stands: No religious preacher, regardless of which cult/sect/religion they belong to, should be allowed in there.... etc. etc. etc.

I don't want to see anyone excluded from anything on the grounds of race, religious conviction, disability or gender. I think Dave's been a good housemate, even though some of his God stuff makes me cringe. He's not exactly been on a crusade in there. I've heard much more radical and objectionable stuff on here from his detractors.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by zotec

hmmm. Im worried should Dave be nominated, he would have an unfair advantage to be kept in by all his brainwashed sloshfesters using donations for the phone calls.

Dont worry ,they cannot be that many folks who are completely brainwashed/dead .and just think all the peoples families of folk he has charged Ł30 to pray for to get rid of their cancer will vote against him

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't want to see anyone excluded from anything on the grounds of race, disability or gender.

I agree with you, but not on the religious conviction. Religious conviction can be very dangerous, causes tension, breeds sectarianism, causes wars ect. ect.
My point still stands

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

The problem with you fingers is that you are inconsistent in your belief system. You insist Dave is 'faking this' and type the 'C word' at every chance,
yet,
you will also argue that David is a problem because he does believe in all his drunken glory God-ordained business.

He is not a 'Charlatan' or a fake and that video is exhibit A - he sincerely believes this nonsense and sooner or later you will realize that is no defense of David.
I'd feel better knowing he WAS a fraud. I am far more disturbed these people really DO believe it.

But here is more the problem/complaint with too many of these topics now:
- They are themselves higher-standard and 'hypocritical' judgments.
Example:
On any given day any human HM had a bad one, was aggravated and took a complaint to the others where it became 'gossiping' or 'back-biting'. OK.
But here some have decided that David gets held to one standard and attributed massive guilt,
yet,
would never apply it to anyone else in there.
"He said he was perfectly moral and therefore I caught him do some gossiping so therefore he is deemed evil, a liar, a fraud and a worthless human being!"

Housemate X does the same thing and: "did you hear so-and-so gossiping like that... that was out of order.. they annoy me now!"

Add to that people like fingers who do not grasp the most basic theological concepts and what a Christian might mean when they say they believe 'God put them there',
and,
add to this a handful of members who have such a hatred for Christianity that they can't get through a post without using David's 'unpleasant laugh' as all the excuse to declare their atheism beliefs the most righteously justified superior belief system on the planet.




I'm sure you were just being a bit cheeky but - if you were seriously complaining - this could be an example of 'double standards' though.
HMs have fans and supporters.
Some because they are from.. Manchester! Some get voting campaigns because people in their company/business rally for them.. every year it seems the 'girl power' rep is chosen and voted to the max,
and,
for example Steve could get a massive boost from military people rallying for him.
So if David has his core supporters then its no more 'fair or unfair' than anyone else with any other crowd behind them.

I am not reading all this utter BS ,But will pull you up on one thing in the first couple of lines
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS HE CURED OF CANCER ?
HOW MANY LIMBS HAS HE GROWN BACK ?
If the answer (and PLEASE dont even try to tell me he has ) to these question is NONE ,There is the proof of him being a conman and a Charlatan

[Colbert-Bump]

Originally Posted by fingers

There are duped people everywhere. Just shows what deluded fools the so-called producers are in putting him in there where susceptible people will think he is for real.

I DON'T THINK HE IS FOR REAL but I like him anyway.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You really are a patronising jerk! Liking Dave as a hm does NOT mean people buy into his religious views - some are capable of separating the two on a tv game show!

But DAVE doesnt separate the two, he has gone in there to con more money out of desperate people