[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by toothpick

im not saying one is better....but 50 odd people died on the buses and trains...more than a million iraqi and afghans have died in the war....can you really compare the two...or is foreigners blood so cheap for you?

Its unfortunate that there are always innocent casualties of war, but if people dont like that then they shouldnt fly planes in buildings, hang reporters, invade sovereign countries, gas Kurds and shiites....need i go on.

And..millions of deaths???? Ok yah.

[toothpick]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Its unfortunate that there are always innocent casualties of war, but if people dont like that then they shouldnt fly planes in buildings, hang reporters, invade sovereign countries, gas Kurds and shiites....need i go on.

And..millions of deaths???? Ok yah.

are you claiming that less than a million iraqi's and afghans have died? take it back now before i make you look extremely stupid and post evidence from two sources...one is the John Hopkins university in america and the other is the LANCET...the british medical journal....its their figure...one is an american source the other is a british source....why would they lie when the blood is on their hands?

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by toothpick

are you claiming that less than a million iraqi's and afghans have died? take it back now before i make you look extremely stupid and post evidence from two sources...one is the John Hopkins university in america and the other is the LANCET...the british medical journal....its their figure...one is an american source the other is a british source....why would they lie when the blood is on their hands?

Please do post it....i have no idea and so a good read would be nice.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by toothpick

are you claiming that less than a million iraqi's and afghans have died? take it back now before i make you look extremely stupid and post evidence from two sources...one is the John Hopkins university in america and the other is the LANCET...the british medical journal....its their figure...one is an american source the other is a british source....why would they lie when the blood is on their hands?

Yeah once again check your facts, those figures were from 2006, werent taken accurately and were totally discredited by more accurate surveys such as those carried out by Iraq Body count(dot org)

[toothpick]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah once again check your facts, those figures were from 2006, werent taken accurately and were totally discredited by more accurate surveys such as those carried out by Iraq Body count(dot org)

precisely!! that was in 2006...can you imagine the total now...surely you arent dismissing such credible sources?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by toothpick

precisely!! that was in 2006...can you imagine the total now...surely you arent dismissing such credible sources?

The figures used have been discredited by just about every organisation that has viewed them unbiaisedly as being based on hearsay and guesswork.

Even the Lancet pointed out more accurate figues. Just because something appears in the Lancet does not mean it has been endorsed by the BMA.

[toothpick]

Originally Posted by Shasown

The figures used have been discredited by just about every organisation that has viewed them unbiaisedly as being based on hearsay and guesswork.

Instead of disrespecting the lives of dead civilians just accept our role as fellating the penis of the usa has involved the deaths of innocent civilians.

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by toothpick

are you claiming that less than a million iraqi's and afghans have died? take it back now before i make you look extremely stupid and post evidence from two sources...one is the John Hopkins university in america and the other is the LANCET...the british medical journal....its their figure...one is an american source the other is a british source....why would they lie when the blood is on their hands?

Ok....so now ive looked up the data on that wonderful site wiki....and the figures in the Lancet report actually covers all deaths since the Iraq invasion. That includes deaths from violence from all sides and even deaths due to starvation and water poisoning.

Its unfortunate that there had to be any deaths at all....but the only other alternative to the invasion was to allow the continuing assault by Saddam on others:
Over 100k Kurds gassed....for being Kurds.
Mandaean population gone from over 50k to under 5k....for being Mandaean.
Ethnic cleansing of all those who were not Shia and Sunni.

And his followers and Al Quaida supporters have continued the atrocities:
(source wiki.)

In total 40 churches have been bombed since June 26, 2004
Chaldean Catholic Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho was kidnapped on February 23, 2008. Three of his companions were also murdered during the kidnapping. His body was found later and he was buried in Kremlis in Iraq on March 14, 2008.[19]
January 9, 2008, 2 churches bombed in Kirkuk.
January 6, 2008, 7 churches bombed: three Chaldean and Assyrian churches in Mosul and four in Baghdad.[20]
June 4, 2007, 2 churches attacked, Ragheed Ganni, a priest, and three men were shot dead in church.[13]
October 2006, Orthodox priest, Boulos Iskander, kidnapped in Mosul and subsequently beheaded, and his arms and legs were cut off.[13][21]
January 29, 2006, 4 churches bombed.
January 2005, Syriac Catholic Archbishop of Mosul, Basile Georges Casmoussa, kidnapped on January 17 and released.[22]
December 7, 2004, 2 churches bombed.[20]
November 8, 2004, 1 church bombed.
October 16, 2004, 5 churches bombed.[20]
September 10 and 11th, 2004, 2 churches bombed.
August 1, 2004, 5 Assyrian and 1 Armenian churches bombed.


War is sh1t and people die....but whats worse is summed up in this quote from philosopher Edmund Burke who said,

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’ :

[toothpick]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Ok....so now ive looked up the data on that wonderful site wiki....and the figures in the Lancet report actually covers all deaths since the Iraq invasion. That includes deaths from violence from all sides and even deaths due to starvation and water poisoning.

Its unfortunate that there had to be any deaths at all....but the only other alternative to the invasion was to allow the continuing assault by Saddam on others:
Over 100k Kurds gassed....for being Kurds.
Mandaean population gone from over 50k to under 5k....for being Mandaean.
Ethnic cleansing of all those who were not Shia and Sunni.

And his followers and Al Quaida supporters have continued the atrocities:
(source wiki.)

In total 40 churches have been bombed since June 26, 2004
Chaldean Catholic Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho was kidnapped on February 23, 2008. Three of his companions were also murdered during the kidnapping. His body was found later and he was buried in Kremlis in Iraq on March 14, 2008.[19]
January 9, 2008, 2 churches bombed in Kirkuk.
January 6, 2008, 7 churches bombed: three Chaldean and Assyrian churches in Mosul and four in Baghdad.[20]
June 4, 2007, 2 churches attacked, Ragheed Ganni, a priest, and three men were shot dead in church.[13]
October 2006, Orthodox priest, Boulos Iskander, kidnapped in Mosul and subsequently beheaded, and his arms and legs were cut off.[13][21]
January 29, 2006, 4 churches bombed.
January 2005, Syriac Catholic Archbishop of Mosul, Basile Georges Casmoussa, kidnapped on January 17 and released.[22]
December 7, 2004, 2 churches bombed.[20]
November 8, 2004, 1 church bombed.
October 16, 2004, 5 churches bombed.[20]
September 10 and 11th, 2004, 2 churches bombed.
August 1, 2004, 5 Assyrian and 1 Armenian churches bombed.


War is sh1t and people die....but whats worse is summed up in this quote from philosopher Edmund Burke who said,

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’ :

so from that qoute i think its fair to say you admire tony blair and george bush and believe them to be good men..

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by toothpick

so from that qoute i think its fair to say you admire tony blair and george bush and believe them to be good men..

No they are twats.

But that doesnt mean that the war on saddams regime was wrong.