[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever

Totally disagree with you WOMBAI.

It is a totally unfair accusation and he has done nothing to deserve it! Josie stirred that one up - to cause controversy! He was honest and stated that he didn't approve of gay marriage in line with his religious beliefs - he is entitled to those opinions - and I do not believe they make him homophobic!

[doughnut8]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It is a totally unfair accusation and he has done nothing to deserve it! Josie stirred that one up - to cause controversy! He was honest and stated that he didn't approve of gay marriage in line with his religious beliefs - he is entitled to those opinions - and I do not believe they make him homophobic!

His option is the definition of homophobic.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by doughnut8

His option is the definition of homophobic.

Exactly. If he said he wouldn't marry black people that would make him racist. Religious beliefs are not an excuse for discrimination...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Exactly. If he said he wouldn't marry black people that would make him racist. Religious beliefs are not an excuse for discrimination...

It's not the same thing AT ALL! No one would marry a gay couple. Not Catholics, Not Jews, not Methodists, not Anglicans... no one. It's just the way it is. His personal view might night concur with that, but the church - any church - would not allow it.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's not the same thing AT ALL! No one would marry a gay couple. Not Catholics, Not Jews, not Methodists, not Anglicans... no one. It's just the way it is. His personal view might night concur with that, but the church - any church - would not allow it.

YES IT IS!!! He could perform a civil partnership if he so wished, he isn't a bloody Catholic Priest is he?! He has his own made up loony religion...

He says he would not do it OUT OF PERSONAL CHOICE that is discrimination

[toby843]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

YES IT IS!!! He could perform a civil partnership if he so wished, he isn't a bloody Catholic Priest is he?! He has his own made up loony religion...

He says he would not do it OUT OF PERSONAL CHOICE that is discrimination

I'm sorry but it clearly states in the Bible that being gay is wrong, many many times. Dave is only following his religion, which, yes, is something he chooses to do, but he can in no way be called discriminatory for it any more than he could for following any of the other biblical guidelines. I think everyone on this thread who is trying to make out he is as bad as a racist needs to take step back a minute and take a look at what they are saying and really think it through.
Why in this country do we feel the need to head down this blame culture and look for reasons to hate people? Another good example is the instant thread on how people are saying Keeley deserves compensation, why does she? She willingly entered the house having been made fully aware of the fact there would be physical tasks, she had as much protection on as you could wear, ie, helmet, elbow and knee pads, the surface was smooth and not unreasonably high. Now are we saying that the military shouldn't climb 6 and 9 foot walls on obstacle courses in training because they are too high? Where do we think the money will come from when people sue?? Our pockets. A woman sued the local council because when she was sat in the park under a tree and a small branch fell and hit her and caused no permanent damage. Are acts of mother nature the councils fault now? The money people sue for means it doesn't get spent on the things we really need. Why don't people see this. I'm sure endemol are well insured but in todays economical climate most large corporations are in some way government funded, see where I'm going?
Lets not forget that by heritage, law, popular culture and tradition, Great Britain is a christian country, whether you practice or not, so lets stick to at least part of our heritage and see that Dave is only living his life in line with his beliefs. If we can allow Sharia law in Islamic areas of the country then I'm pretty sure Dave should be allowed to follow the country's traditional religion, all be it a slightly personalised version.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by toby843

I'm sorry but it clearly states in the Bible that being gay is wrong, many many times....

Really? Many times? Where exactly?

The Bible also advocates beating your wife, beating your children, selling your children into slavery, owning slaves, stoning people to death for adultery and burning people to death for growing two kinds of crops in the same field.

If you're going to suggest that because something is in the Bible it has to be adhered to, I think everyone on this forum, including me, is in big, BIG trouble.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Exactly. If he said he wouldn't marry black people that would make him racist. Religious beliefs are not an excuse for discrimination...

this. When the paradigm fully shifts that's exactly how people will think of opinions like Dave's.

to Livia - there are countless churches, Catholics and Protestants, that do support marrying homosexuals. How can a religious majority enforce their interpretation on a religious minority? And don't even start with "but it's in the Bible!" There are more discarded moral codes in the Bible than followed ones.

At best, he lacks critical thinking skills. At worst, he's an arse.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by stonedape

this. When the paradigm fully shifts that's exactly how people will think of opinions like Dave's.

to Livia - there are countless churches, Catholics and Protestants, that do support marrying homosexuals. How can a religious majority enforce their interpretation on a religious minority? And don't even start with "but it's in the Bible!" There are more discarded moral codes in the Bible than followed ones.

At best, he lacks critical thinking skills. At worst, he's an arse.

There are NO churches that marry gay people None. Not one. I am not a Christian. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm telling what the law of the land says. Even if the church decided to marry gay couples, it would have to be passed by the House of Lords before it became legal. Dave does not have a say.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are NO churches that marry gay people None. Not one. I am not a Christian. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm telling what the law of the land says. Even if the church decided to marry gay couples, it would have to be passed by the House of Lords before it became legal. Dave does not have a say.

But Dave isn't even a "proper" minister is he?? He just started up his own silly religious sect where they pretend they are pissed on Gods love & wheel themselves around in wheelchairs in town centres offering to cure cancer...

IF he can legally perform weddings then he is also legally permitted to perform civil partnership ceremonys... So he CAN, he just WONT... that is discrimination...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

But Dave isn't even a "proper" minister is he?? He just started up his own silly religious sect where they pretend they are pissed on Gods love & wheel themselves around in wheelchairs in town centres offering to cure cancer...

IF he can legally perform weddings then he is also legally permitted to perform civil partnership ceremonys... So he CAN, he just WONT... that is discrimination...

A civil partnership is performed by a registrar. It is not a religious ceremony of any kind, it is purely secular. It is not discrimination, it is not legal.

I am not supporting Dave's ministry, nor his cancer cure claims. But this whole "not marrying gays is like not marrying black people" is a ludicrous argument!

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are NO churches that marry gay people None. Not one. I am not a Christian. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm telling what the law of the land says. Even if the church decided to marry gay couples, it would have to be passed by the House of Lords before it became legal. Dave does not have a say.

You're aware churches exist outside of the UK, right?

The same book was used to justify not marrying whites and blacks, with just as little real argument as Dave: "It's in the Bible!" "It's just not natural!" so I'd say the argument is sound.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by stonedape

You're aware churches exist outside of the UK, right?

You are aware we're talking about a man who's "ministry" is in the UK, right? If he was a minister in, say, the Netherlands, we wouldn't need to be having this conversation because gay marriage is legal there and whether or not he agreed to marry gay couples would be up to him. At the moment, the decision is out of his hands. One day it might be different, but right now, that's the way it is.

Don't get the impression I'm a follower, or a supporter. I am a Jew. I am not a Christian. I'm talking only about the legality of what he's saying in the face of some pretty unfair criticism.

Ask me if he can cure cancer and I will tell you, no.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by stonedape

You're aware churches exist outside of the UK, right?

The same book was used to justify not marrying whites and blacks, with just as little real argument as Dave: "It's in the Bible!" "It's just not natural!" so I'd say the argument is sound.

In fact, rarely has there ever been any laws anywhere forbidding what is called 'interracial' marriage.
You can find a handful of examples (south africa, nazi germany, some US states).
If a handful of kooks did attempt to justify these using the Bible they were quiet obviously failures as the Christian Abolitionists (in the US case) used the Bible to conquer them with massive public support (most Christians).

One thing you can try and do is visit some community in Harlem New York and announce that black men are the same as gays.
Also mouth off about the Bible.
See how long you can remain an 'atheist' as you are being beaten to death within maybe.. maybe you will have 10 minutes of slow death before finally being eliminated.

I'm not recommending it but its something you could try and do?
If you believe 'blacks' are the same thing as gays in that sense.

Just so you know (you can google this) but gay marriage is NOT VERY POPULAR in the black communities.
Not at all.
In fact you can find plenty of USA blacks on youtube VERY OFFENDED by your idea that their civil rights are the 'same thing' as Gay Agenda goals.

Just so ya know.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It is a totally unfair accusation and he has done nothing to deserve it! Josie stirred that one up - to cause controversy! He was honest and stated that he didn't approve of gay marriage in line with his religious beliefs - he is entitled to those opinions - and I do not believe they make him homophobic!

why do you always blame josie for what another housemate does?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

why do you always blame josie for what another housemate does?

Because she did stir it up! Why do you refuse to hold her responsible for her own actions?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Because she did stir it up! Why do you refuse to hold her responsible for her own actions?

because she only asked him a question so why would you blame her for that?

and watch out josie if you breathe wombai and your other haters will attack you.