[BB_Eye]

Interestingly, the approval rate for this mosque is even higher in NYC than it is in New York state as a whole. Both polls had more people in favour than against. I'm not saying that decisions should be made on the basis of public approval alone, but it does show that New Yorkers are not personally offended by this and the Ground Zero Mosque label is very misleading. It's not as if they're building it on Ground Zero itself or even within view of Ground Zero.

On reflection, I don't see this doing any harm and the meaning behind the name Cordoba House are quite positive, hearkening back to the peaceful co-existence of muslims and Christians in medieval Spain.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Interestingly, the approval rate for this mosque is even higher in NYC than it is in New York state as a whole. Both polls had more people in favour than against. I'm not saying that decisions should be made on the basis of public approval alone, but it does show that New Yorkers are not personally offended by this and the Ground Zero Mosque label is very misleading. It's not as if they're building it on Ground Zero itself or even within view of Ground Zero.

On reflection, I don't see this doing any harm and the meaning behind the name Cordoba House are quite positive, hearkening back to the peaceful co-existence of muslims and Christians in medieval Spain.

Exactly, I stated that in my post. And if you isolate Manhattan alone, they are in favor with a big majority! Its the people less affected that are acting all offended, in the name of the locals.
And yeah, more and more, I really dont see the big deal in this mosque. My only concern, is having people act violently towards the mosque, or the people going in there in general!

I didnt know about the significance of the name. I knew the reason for the mosque was to bridge the gap, and people have stomped all over it! Its a shame!

[setanta]

The reality is that if it's goes ahead there will be protests, if not more. It's close enought to the ground zero for it to be viewed as a disrespectful act.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Haha the usual suspects creating a storm in a teacup to attack muslims generally! Its like effin groundhog day here

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Haha the usual suspects creating a storm in a teacup to attack muslims generally! Its like effin groundhog day here

And as usual, you have to real argument. Just make silly little comments.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

And as usual, you have to real argument. Just make silly little comments.

What? real argument? dont make me laff...all the freaks acting like theyre constructing a giant mosque covering ground zero with minarets as high as the twin towers, when the sensible, normal, actual, common sense might offer you a clue to reality is, it is being built on the site of an old coat factory several blocks away...get real

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

What? real argument? dont make me laff...all the freaks acting like theyre constructing a giant mosque covering ground zero with minarets as high as the twin towers, when the sensible, normal, actual, common sense might offer you a clue to reality is, it is being built on the site of an old coat factory several blocks away...get real

Well I'm sure you've read the thread and seen my views on it. I never even mentioned Muslims or extremists that much. We'll just have to see what happens...

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Haha the usual suspects creating a storm in a teacup to attack muslims generally! Its like effin groundhog day here

Isnt it though? YOu can always guess, who will be the highest posters, on a thread which have anything negative to do with Islam or immigrants!

Funny how that works out!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well I'm sure you've read the thread and seen my views on it. I never even mentioned Muslims or extremists that much. We'll just have to see what happens...

I'll tell you what will happen a few right wing extremists and a few islamic extremists will try and stir up as much publicity and hate as they can and everyone else will just get on with their lives seeing it for what it is...much ado about nowt!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Isnt it though? YOu can always guess, who will be the highest posters, on a thread which have anything negative to do with Islam or immigrants!

Funny how that works out!

Islam for me. Not immigrants. And it's not a problem with Muslims it's a problem with the religion. Nothing wrong with that, unless you're against free speech of course...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

I'll tell you what will happen a few right wing extremists and a few islamic extremists will try and stir up as much publicity and hate as they can and everyone else will just get on with their lives seeing it for what it is...much ado about nowt!

Indeed, but I was just having an opinion, just like everyone else who has posted in this thread.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Islam for me. Not immigrants. And it's not a problem with Muslims it's a problem with the religion. Nothing wrong with that, unless you're against free speech of course...

oh NO! FREE SPEECH AWAY!
MOst people dont mind, and it aint gonna stop it, so happy speeching!!!

[Omen]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

What? real argument? dont make me laff...all the freaks acting like theyre constructing a giant mosque covering ground zero with minarets as high as the twin towers, when the sensible, normal, actual, common sense might offer you a clue to reality is, it is being built on the site of an old coat factory several blocks away...get real

I agree, and also agree with one of the other posters above (who is muslim) who said build them elsewhere if they are causing offence. And to the poster who said not to tarnish everyone with the same brush.


The problem is with Islam and how the bombers invoked/invoke their religion, calling their struggle a jihad or holy war, much like the crusades were a holy war in their time. On the other side, George Bush invoked God on his side. To his credit Pope John Paul criticised the invasion of Iraq, and so the Catholic Church disowned it from the very top. Maybe muslims could excommunictate extremists like the cleric Al Hamsa.

There are 2 sides to this, and neither is absolutely right or wrong.

On balance, I'd say build the mosque.

Here's a point: hypothetically if there was to be a religous memorial on the ground zero site, I wouldn't exclude symbols/symbolism of Islam or any religion. In fact, if there was such a memorial it would be good for reconciliation; it would show solidarity with the victims, some of whom were muslims (I'm sure).

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

oh NO! FREE SPEECH AWAY!
MOst people dont mind, and it aint gonna stop it, so happy speeching!!!

Cool. But it just seems Muslims take it more personally than say a Christian would (I don't like any Religion by the way). The Muslim would assume I had a problem with them, when it's not the case. Just the way it comes across to me anyway.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Cool. But it just seems Muslims take it more personally than say a Christian would (I don't like any Religion by the way). The Muslim would assume I had a problem with them, when it's not the case. Just the way it comes across to me anyway.

your problem with muslims and opinions about islam, are totally insignificant to me!
I actually care more about who this matters to. ie: The residents of Manhattan, who overwhelmingly support this project. ie, the opinions of the people who this actually affects directly! NOt the opinion of someone who live 1000s of miles away, in a different country!

SO like I said, Free Speech away!

[Omen]

Originally Posted by InOne

Cool. But it just seems Muslims take it more personally than say a Christian would (I don't like any Religion by the way). The Muslim would assume I had a problem with them, when it's not the case. Just the way it comes across to me anyway.

Just like some Israelis play the anti-semite card, and some others play the race card. Sometimes it's justified but as often not.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Omen

Just like some Israelis play the anti-semite card, and some oothers play the race card. Sometimes it's justified but as often not.

Yeah definitely.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

your problem with muslims and opinions about islam, are totally insignificant to me!
I actually care more about who this matters to. ie: The residents of Manhattan, who overwhelmingly support this project. ie, the opinions of the people who this actually affects directly! NOt the opinion of someone who live 1000s of miles away, in a different country!

SO like I said, Free Speech away!

Good for you...

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Omen

Just like some Israelis play the anti-semite card, and some others play the race card. Sometimes it's justified but as often not.

There are none so blind as those who will not see!
But most people dont have that problem.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Omen

I agree, and also agree with one of the other posters above (who is muslim) who said build them elsewhere if they are causing offence. And to the poster who said not to tarnish everyone with the same brush.


The problem is with Islam and how the bombers invoked/invoke their religion, calling their struggle a jihad or holy war, much like the crusades were a holy war in their time. On the other side, George Bush invoked God on his side. To his credit Pope John Paul criticised the invasion of Iraq, and so the Catholic Church disowned it from the very top. Maybe muslims could excommunictate extremists like the cleric Al Hamsa.

There are 2 sides to this, and neither is absolutely right or wrong.

On balance, I'd say build the mosque.

Here's a point: hypothetically if there was to be a religous memorial on the ground zero site, I wouldn't exclude symbols/symbolism of Islam or any religion. In fact, if there was such a memorial it would be good for reconciliation; it would show solidarity with the victims, some of whom were muslims (I'm sure).

Exactly and not to mention the muslim fire fighters, Dr's, Nurses etc that saved peoples lives on this day, to say a mosque cant be built anywhere near the site is to say all of islam and all muslims are responsible for 9/11 which is just ridiculous

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Exactly and not to mention the muslim fire fighters, Dr's, Nurses etc that saved peoples lives on this day, to say a mosque cant be built anywhere near the site is to say all of islam and all muslims are responsible for 9/11 which is just ridiculous

Who has ever said all Muslims were responsible for 9/11? lol

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Who has ever said all Muslims were responsible for 9/11? lol

thats what its like saying if you think having a mosque nearby is offensive

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

thats what its like saying if you think having a mosque nearby is offensive

How is it?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

How is it?

Because your associating ordinary muslims going about their usual worship with the nutters that did it...innit

[dudus]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Because your associating ordinary muslims going about their usual worship with the nutters that did it...innit

nah nah **** THIS
there building that mosque there to piss the yanks off, them muslim scum are pissing all over everyone what died that day, and THE LIBERAL MAFIA LET THEM GET AWAY WI IT!