[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

David and Crowderites ought to be thankful for the masses of 'conman' accusers who have swarmed the forums boards.
Why?
Because they keep anyone from discussing and challenging the actual problems with this group and what kind of harm David's stunts may really be doing to the Church or to the perception of the unChurched for that matter.

These guys here stampeding topics with 'conman' accusations have done a great job keeping anyone from asking (or answering for) the real tough issues.

So has David.
"She wanted to talk to me about (God, Church) and I just said NO!" and that ended that.
David would RATHER have Housemates mocking him or questioning if he 'hates gays' or having some 'atheist' debate with him,
but,
he does not want and will not permit someone reasonably well-versed in the Bible to have pose some actual challenges.

Anyways,
Yes, I explained to people on here the wheelchair was to show he was so 'drunk in the spirit' that he could not even walk and they were NOT going about taking donations.

What I don't like about the wheelchair stunt is that (as seen here) does give people a false impression at it's face value.
Worse yet it give the impression that Jesuits may not only be drinking alcohol but harassing people in public,
and,
even worse is that once they get the idea they are embarrassed about Christianity or the Church and want to avoid it and keep their children from that,
and,
maybe the worst thing is that it will attract those who are infatuated with physical gratification (addicts, drunks) and it really tells them that Christianity is about the very same thing - sensual pleasure, physiological relief, having their brain tickled or numbed. Carnal pleasures.

You know I try to read your posts, but I end up unable to make it past the first sentence...

I really don't understand if you are pro or anti Dave & I really don't think you know either...

[stoney]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

You know I try to read your posts, but I end up unable to make it past the first sentence...

I really don't understand if you are pro or anti Dave & I really don't think you know either...

he's anti but from a slightly different angle than yourself

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I really don't understand if you are pro or anti Dave & I really don't think you know either...

Right. It's because you see things that way. You choose a side and then, truth be damned, you attack the 'enemy' with anything that 'hurts them'.
You should get into American politics.

In fact, I am not 'anti-anyone'. I can separate the human being from the error of their ways.
I would like to think I care about David (the person, the man, the father) and that is all the more reason I hate the bad ideas and bad behavior,
but,
Never mind David. I am also concerned about other decent human beings who are duped into this cult.

But unlike you I want to solve the actual problem. You do that by identifying it correctly.
Then you focus on that 'actual problem' alone and don't waste time finding fake problems.

I'm sure all this sounds 'weird and complicated' to you. That's too bad.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Right. It's because you see things that way. You choose a side and then, truth be damned, you attack the 'enemy' with anything that 'hurts them'.
You should get into American politics.

In fact, I am not 'anti-anyone'. I can separate the human being from the error of their ways.
I would like to think I care about David (the person, the man, the father) and that is all the more reason I hate the bad ideas and bad behavior,
but,
Never mind David. I am also concerned about other decent human beings who are duped into this cult.

But unlike you I want to solve the actual problem. You do that by identifying it correctly.
Then you focus on that 'actual problem' alone and don't waste time finding fake problems.

I'm sure all this sounds 'weird and complicated' to you. That's too bad.

Try again, this time making sense, thanks

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

You know I try to read your posts, but I end up unable to make it past the first sentence...

I really don't understand if you are pro or anti Dave & I really don't think you know either...

Thats a great pity, I would try and read it again if I were you. It is a good post and quite informative as well as accurate. You could learn a lot.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats a great pity, I would try and read it again if I were you. It is a good post and quite informative as well as accurate. You could learn a lot.

No thanks, boring drivel does nothing for me I'm afraid, but so pleased that you loved it so much *gush*

I know enough about what I want to know about & don't appreciate being preached to by religious types...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

No thanks, boring drivel does nothing for me I'm afraid, but so pleased that you loved it so much *gush*

I know enough about what I want to know about & don't appreciate being preached to by religious types...

Me too galah ,bores the pants off me