[Raph]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I dont know if this conversation is going right over your head, but as you stated Another reason, you havent provided any sort of reason, backed up with facts he did in fact lie about knowing her.

My binmen empty my bins weekly, I leave them a generous tip every christmas, if one of them told a mutual friend friend he knows me, he would be telling the truth. If that mutual friend then said to me "you know Barry binns" I would say "no i dont I dont recognise the name". Doesnt mean either of us is lying does it?

So in fact heading the thread with the title another reason is actually you lying to us..... again!!!!

Ah well, I've learnt enough not to get into debates on the forum. I respect your opinion, and that's that. Sitting on the fence is the way forward.

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by Raph

Ah well, I've learnt enough not to get into debates on the forum. I respect your opinion, and that's that. Sitting on the fence is the way forward.

You can strengthen your side of "the debate" with facts.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Raph

Ah well, I've learnt enough not to get into debates on the forum. I respect your opinion, and that's that. Sitting on the fence is the way forward.

Arrrhh Raph dont be like that mate , I am sorry. I am always a twat till I have had my breakfast.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I am always a twat

I can vouch for Terry on that one

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Raph

By saying that his stories 'go on to change' I meant that if he really claims to know her personally, why would he then go on to say she was extremely boring in BB9? If she was boring to him, why would he have even been remotely interested in saying that he knew her personally?

Now it's not a 'changing story' but instead some situation where you seem to be surprised a story was told.
Let's look at this 'surprise mention of something' and see if there is a real problem.

Years ago David watches BB9 and finds Rachel 'not exciting'.
OK.
A year later David meets Rachel in a pub or Tesco's or somewhere.
OK.
So far so good yes?
David remembers meeting her. She is the winner of BB9 and famous.
OK. makes sense yes? Okay good.
Rachel does not remember meeting David. He was not famous. She has thousands of people meet her in after her win.
OK. Easy. Happens all the time in life.

Now a year later David is actually IN Big Brother himself!
OK.
Now people are funny. When they are in Big Brother and having conversations with people in Big Brother they may find themselves discussing.. Big Brother things!
They also may do something we call 'comparing'. They compare their season to previous seasons.
This is strange but true and happens to nearly everyone.
OK.
At some point in a conversation David offers his opinion that his season's people are 'more exciting than Rachel Rice'.
No problem.
It's true this was his opinion and 'perception' of the people.

David also mentions he met Rachel Rice. It's not necessary for him to mention this,
but,
It was something 'related' to the conversation and perhaps someone else in the group may hear it and share some meetings they had with either Rachel or other BB people.
This is interesting to the HMs who enjoy and learn and exchange ideas by this way of 'discussing' and 'remembering people' and 'sharing experiences'.

How is ANY of this confusing or surprising or unusual to you?
Where do you see any sort of 'logical contradiction' to ANYTHING we have in that scenario?

Also, you say that Rachel may have lied. But sorry to go personal here, but isn't Rachel your favorite housemate of all time?

Yes, Rachel Rice is one of my all-time favourite BB contestants.

What you did was wrongly suppose that someone had to be 'lying'.
I disagree,
but,
even if we did suppose one of them had to be lying then it could be either David OR Rachel.
From a 'logical' pov which is what you took. You gave a 'logical sequence' and a 'therefore'.

I have a question though..

Do you find many many things in life seem to 'make no sense'?
Do you find many people in your life are constantly saying things which seem 'weird' or 'senseless'?
Do you find people's choices often seem baffling or inexplicable to your eyes?
On a daily basis.
Do you see that most people, most times are saying and doing things that are totally senseless and strange in ways you don't understand at all or attribute to some motives they don't want to admit to?

[Shiner]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Now it's not a 'changing story' but instead some situation where you seem to be surprised a story was told.
Let's look at this 'surprise mention of something' and see if there is a real problem.

Years ago David watches BB9 and finds Rachel 'not exciting'.
OK.
A year later David meets Rachel in a pub or Tesco's or somewhere.
OK.
So far so good yes?
David remembers meeting her. She is the winner of BB9 and famous.
OK. makes sense yes? Okay good.
Rachel does not remember meeting David. He was not famous. She has thousands of people meet her in after her win.
OK. Easy. Happens all the time in life.

Now a year later David is actually IN Big Brother himself!
OK.
Now people are funny. When they are in Big Brother and having conversations with people in Big Brother they may find themselves discussing.. Big Brother things!
They also may do something we call 'comparing'. They compare their season to previous seasons.
This is strange but true and happens to nearly everyone.
OK.
At some point in a conversation David offers his opinion that his season's people are 'more exciting than Rachel Rice'.
No problem.
It's true this was his opinion and 'perception' of the people.

David also mentions he met Rachel Rice. It's not necessary for him to mention this,
but,
It was something 'related' to the conversation and perhaps someone else in the group may hear it and share some meetings they had with either Rachel or other BB people.
This is interesting to the HMs who enjoy and learn and exchange ideas by this way of 'discussing' and 'remembering people' and 'sharing experiences'.

How is ANY of this confusing or surprising or unusual to you?
Where do you see any sort of 'logical contradiction' to ANYTHING we have in that scenario?



Yes, Rachel Rice is one of my all-time favourite BB contestants.

What you did was wrongly suppose that someone had to be 'lying'.
I disagree,
but,
even if we did suppose one of them had to be lying then it could be either David OR Rachel.
From a 'logical' pov which is what you took. You gave a 'logical sequence' and a 'therefore'.

I have a question though..

Do you find many many things in life seem to 'make no sense'?
Do you find many people in your life are constantly saying things which seem 'weird' or 'senseless'?
Do you find people's choices often seem baffling or inexplicable to your eyes?
On a daily basis.
Do you see that most people, most times are saying and doing things that are totally senseless and strange in ways you don't understand at all or attribute to some motives they don't want to admit to?

Fantastic! (as usual)
I admire your energy to put that together. I wanted to say something like that earlier but couldn't be arsed because at the end of the day it seems that a lot of people on here ignore the obvious on purpose or because it is convenient to their fanship.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Now it's not a 'changing story' but instead some situation where you seem to be surprised a story was told.
Let's look at this 'surprise mention of something' and see if there is a real problem.

Years ago David watches BB9 and finds Rachel 'not exciting'.
OK.
A year later David meets Rachel in a pub or Tesco's or somewhere.
OK.
So far so good yes?
David remembers meeting her. She is the winner of BB9 and famous.
OK. makes sense yes? Okay good.
Rachel does not remember meeting David. He was not famous. She has thousands of people meet her in after her win.
OK. Easy. Happens all the time in life.

Now a year later David is actually IN Big Brother himself!
OK.
Now people are funny. When they are in Big Brother and having conversations with people in Big Brother they may find themselves discussing.. Big Brother things!
They also may do something we call 'comparing'. They compare their season to previous seasons.
This is strange but true and happens to nearly everyone.
OK.
At some point in a conversation David offers his opinion that his season's people are 'more exciting than Rachel Rice'.
No problem.
It's true this was his opinion and 'perception' of the people.

David also mentions he met Rachel Rice. It's not necessary for him to mention this,
but,
It was something 'related' to the conversation and perhaps someone else in the group may hear it and share some meetings they had with either Rachel or other BB people.
This is interesting to the HMs who enjoy and learn and exchange ideas by this way of 'discussing' and 'remembering people' and 'sharing experiences'.

How is ANY of this confusing or surprising or unusual to you?
Where do you see any sort of 'logical contradiction' to ANYTHING we have in that scenario?



Yes, Rachel Rice is one of my all-time favourite BB contestants.

What you did was wrongly suppose that someone had to be 'lying'.
I disagree,
but,
even if we did suppose one of them had to be lying then it could be either David OR Rachel.
From a 'logical' pov which is what you took. You gave a 'logical sequence' and a 'therefore'.

I have a question though..

Do you find many many things in life seem to 'make no sense'?
Do you find many people in your life are constantly saying things which seem 'weird' or 'senseless'?
Do you find people's choices often seem baffling or inexplicable to your eyes?
On a daily basis.
Do you see that most people, most times are saying and doing things that are totally senseless and strange in ways you don't understand at all or attribute to some motives they don't want to admit to?

I read through all of that. However, what I was saying was that David said he personally knew Rachel. Maybe he was using the wrong term, but to me, 'personally' means genuinely having had a meaningful conversation with that person and knowing a little bit (at least) about each other. It really depends on how you want to perceive what Dave has said. Clearly, you see it as just having 'met Rachel once', whilst I see it as 'had gotten to know Rachel on a personal level'.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Arrrhh Raph dont be like that mate , I am sorry. I am always a twat till I have had my breakfast.

No worries dude, I'm just a sucker when it comes to any form or arguing over something small I suppose, I try not to get involved in it. All's good

[SoberLikeGizmo]

He also makes pontypool sound like a good town... its a ****ing dumb, with only a peacocks, greegs and newsagents in the town square, lying twat!

[watchinittoomuch]

I met Rick Astley once.

I bet the ****er cant remember me either *flounce*

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Raph

I read through all of that. However, what I was saying was that David said he personally knew Rachel. Maybe he was using the wrong term, but to me, 'personally' means genuinely having had a meaningful conversation with that person and knowing a little bit (at least) about each other. It really depends on how you want to perceive what Dave has said. Clearly, you see it as just having 'met Rachel once', whilst I see it as 'had gotten to know Rachel on a personal level'.

You didn't tell us that. You only told us that your conclusion was based on David saying he met her.
'Met her' refers to a one time incident.

'Knew her' could refer to a personal and ongoing relationship but you gave us 'knew her and had met her'.

Do you recall the actual quote in context or is there a clip of this somewhere?
What was the wording used?

Do you find that a lot of things people say and do seem 'weird' and 'inexplicable' to you?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Do you find that a lot of things people say and do seem 'weird' and 'inexplicable' to you?

Funnily enough I find everything you say weird...

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Raph

I understand your point. However, Dave stated that he personally knows Rachel, and not that they have simply met once. Therefore, at least some parts of his tale can be confirmed as a lie, as Rachel doesn't even remember having ever spoken to him, let alone personally knowing him.

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You didn't tell us that. You only told us that your conclusion was based on David saying he met her.
'Met her' refers to a one time incident.

'Knew her' could refer to a personal and ongoing relationship but you gave us 'knew her and had met her'.

Do you recall the actual quote in context or is there a clip of this somewhere?
What was the wording used?

Do you find that a lot of things people say and do seem 'weird' and 'inexplicable' to you?

Look in the first quote above. I did state 'know her' and not 'met her'. Also, what is with the odd questions? Anyways, sorry dude but I'm done with this disagreement as there's no point in it whatsoever. I understand what you have to say.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Dave isn't the most entertaining housemate in the world but he is certainly more entertaining than Rachel.

So if Dave is more entertaining than Rachel why does he need to use her name to make himself look more important?

[Pato]

Maybe dave has changed since he met rachel e.g different hair etc....