[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She's repeatedly said she is insecure about her weight so shhhh

So do something about it. Or stop moaning.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

I'm saying she was never up for eviction, which she wasn't. I'm also saying that since she was never even close to being up, I don't think her being a size 10 would have swung noms that much to change it

Yes I'm assuming her character would be similar as a size ten, and at the same time your assuming it wouldn't.

Yes, her character would have been different - she wouldn't have been able to keep playing the victim card - with the woah is me - poor fat, country bumpkin - who can't get her man!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Pathetic post... you need help!

As charming as ever.

Btw, STILL posting here Wombai?

You need to resend your request to have your account cancelled again I think.

[luminoussun]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She's repeatedly said she is insecure about her weight so shhhh

Well thank god she aint got the internet in the bb house then...she won't hear me

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're not discussing Sophie, we're discussing Josie.

I'm not saying you can't be pretty, skinny and nice. I'm saying you can't tell how someone's character would change if their appearance was different. When people slim down from large to small, their confidence changes, their character changes; the same when they go from skinny to bigger... everything changes because the way people view you and the way people treat you changes. Josie wouldn't have to be the class clown for attention anymore.

Your saying you cant tell how she would be as a size 10 yet you stated that she wouldnt be the same person in another post.

Contradicting yourself much?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Yes, her character would have been different - she wouldn't have been able to keep playing the victim card - with the woah is me - poor fat, country bumpkin - who can't get her man!

God your weird

[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Your saying you cant tell how she would be as a size 10 yet you stated that she wouldnt be the same person in another post.

Contradicting yourself much?

Obviously no one can tell what someone will be like because nothing in life is black or white. We both know that. But I'm saying, having experienced people who have slimmed down and people who have bulked up, their character changes.

Deliberately being obtuse, much?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vesavius

As charming as ever.

Btw, STILL posting here Wombai?

You need to resend your request to have your account cancelled again I think.

A lot more charming than someone who ridicules a disabled man and attempts to make a comparison between him and a lazy fat girl!

And don't worry your little self about when and where I post! You have more defending of the greedy/lazy one to do!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

God your weird

Not my fault or problem if you lack understanding!

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

If Josie wasn't a big girl things would have been different. She would not have been the non-threatening girl who jokes around and puts herself down. More girls would have voted for her and she'd have probably been out. Of course, if she was skinnier, John James would have probably taken exception to her and treated her like he treated Rachael. And Rachel. And Sunshine... etc.

Agree 100%
If Josie was slim and she is pretty she would have been on JJames hit list.
He himself admits he has issue's with stunning girls.he would not doubt of had a fair few pops at her and bitched to HM's about her.I think it was fairly obvious to HM's that whoever JJames had issues with was voted out in the eviction.
I wonder if she was slimmer , disliked by JJames and given that she lay around all day sucking her thumb(which he would most likely pulled her apart on that issue) would she have ever been up for eviction.My guess is she would have and would have been long gone.
Josie shouldn't be judged or called names because of her weight but every single housemate has been called names on all forums ,why when it comes to Josie it's bulling?/

[luminoussun]

Are you going to ask to close this thread in a huff soon?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

Obviously no one can tell what someone will be like because nothing in life is black or white. We both know that. But I'm saying, having experienced people who have slimmed down and people who have bulked up, their character changes.

Deliberately being obtuse, much?

You said she WOULD change if she lost weight. And now your contradicting yourself by saying noone knows if she would change.

Also you said when i mentioned Sophie Reade that it wasnt relevant to the topic as we are talking about Josie not Sophie, and now your comparing Josie to someone else.

You are the definition of contradiction

[crystaltreasure]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

It's out of order.

Im sure your bodies arnt all size 6's or 6 packs so "people in glass houses" n all that.

Imagine if she read these forums when she got out and everyones calling her a ****ing ugly hippo, a whale or as someone else called her on here a bullying ugly fat pig.

It aint on so grow upand actually judge her on her personality.

well said..I am sick and tired of it.. people moan about how shallow people can be and they just are just hypocrites by calling people horrid names for what they look like..makes you wonder, are they so sad in their own lives that it makes them feel better by putting other people down

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

This obsession about Josies weight is old at this stage. Its got nothing to with her entertainment factor as a HM. Its also irrelevent as she has already won

What's "her entertainment factor as a HM" ?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Omah

What's "her entertainment factor as a HM" ?

She's genuine, down to earth and has a wicked sense of humour. Alot of people can relate to Josie.

Hence the reason shes been fav to win for most of the series

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by Livia

But I'm saying, having experienced people who have slimmed down and people who have bulked up, their character changes.

As have I, and to say some peoples character changes may well be accurate, but to say everyones character would change is a massive and inaccurate genralisation.

This stereotype of "physically unattractive people having to develop their personalities more then an attractive person as they cannot rely on their looks" is complete and utter nonsense and has no scientific backup behind it whatsoever

You cannot dismiss an argument as its based on an assumption and then make your own assumption to back up your own point

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

As have I, and to say some peoples character changes may well be accurate, but to say everyones character would change is a massive and inaccurate genralisation.

This stereotype of "physically unattractive people having to develop their personalities more then an attractive person as they cannot rely on their looks" is complete and utter nonsense and has no scientific backup behind it whatsoever

You cannot dismiss an argument as its based on an assumption and then make your own assumption to back up your own point

He's backed off now as he realises everything he says is contridicting itself.

Making digs at someones weight is WRONG

FACT.

[shaz20]

There are some extremely nasty and shallow minded people on this forum. I have found that every one of the housemates have been verbally attacked and mostly for petty childish reasons. Some of these posts have came across as exactly how school bullies and their "gangs" would do. Josie and others have came in for some extremely vicious and cruel attacks, why?? What purpose does it serve, apart from upset friends and family or housemates if they read them. Yes people like some housemates more than others, they have their favourites and others they may really dislike, but at the end of the day the housemates are human, they have feelings and none of them are perfect, equally no forum members are perfect either. I am sure you can voice your dislike without resorting to the horrible nasty comments shown on these threads. How boring would this world be, filled with stick thin models with everyone having the same personality and no faults. Big brother is a television show hoping to entertain, so a mixture of people from all walks of life are put in hoping that being different from each other will provide this entertainment. It wouldn't be the show it is if all the females were 5ft 11 slim leggy beautiful girls and the blokes being 6ft odd amazingly toned 6 pack toting hunks. There are different shows out there for those people.
So please lighten up people, a bit more fun and laughter in the threads would be a lovely change.
Sermon over! Sorry.
From one 5ft 8 overweight, wheelchairbound mam and wife who loved BB and will be sad to see it end. Good Luck to whoever wins perfect or not.

[30stone]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She's repeatedly said she is insecure about her weight so shhhh

If someone goes ohh im so big, i look horrible, then eats like 3 bowls of cereal and a big plate of chips and a litre of coca cola..
Why should i be nice and say ohh no you look great.


Thing is big brother is about looks to its proved that year after year.

And chances are yes if josie was slim, she wouldnt have as much popularity.

[supergirthuk]

Personally although she is overweight, and looking at her she would be at least obese for her height if not morbidly obese, it isnt the issue with me that makes me want her not to win.
She is entirely boring and other than here association with crabeyes would have been up for eviction previously rather than the vote to win we have tonight. Had there not been the placement of her in the final by the jokers the other week she would have surely gone last friday.
She does not deserve the win as do any of the ones left but the producers like their favorites and she will almost certainly win.
If you think she is large now just watch her explode when she wins.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

You said she WOULD change if she lost weight. And now your contradicting yourself by saying noone knows if she would change.

Also you said when i mentioned Sophie Reade that it wasnt relevant to the topic as we are talking about Josie not Sophie, and now your comparing Josie to someone else.

You are the definition of contradiction

You are deliberately picking holes in what I said because you know that there is a grain of truth in it and it doesn't fit in with you agenda. So you're being a literalist for the sake of making your point. It's silly. And it's immature.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

As have I, and to say some peoples character changes may well be accurate, but to say everyones character would change is a massive and inaccurate genralisation.

This stereotype of "physically unattractive people having to develop their personalities more then an attractive person as they cannot rely on their looks" is complete and utter nonsense and has no scientific backup behind it whatsoever

You cannot dismiss an argument as its based on an assumption and then make your own assumption to back up your own point

Taking every point literally is a bit daft. I am at work, I writing on a forum... I obviously can't dedicate as much time as you seem to have on your hands making sure the literalists don't jump all over me.

Josie is fat because she overeats and does not exercise. She has no one to blame but herself. If she was THAT bothered, she'd do something about it and she'd feel better about herself. If she list weight she would feel better about herself and we wouldn't all have to creep around say "oh actually she looks great for a big girl" incase we upset you.

[30stone]

Originally Posted by supergirthuk

If you think she is large now just watch her explode when she wins.

If shes smart she will lose weight.

Make one of those exercise tapes where the instructor tells a class but they have a celebrity face to make it sell well..

Would go down well with a lot of bigger ladies.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

and Rachel from BB9

She was a heifer too.

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Taking every point literally is a bit daft. I am at work, I writing on a forum... I obviously can't dedicate as much time as you seem to have on your hands making sure the literalists don't jump all over me.

Josie is fat because she overeats and does not exercise. She has no one to blame but herself. If she was THAT bothered, she'd do something about it and she'd feel better about herself. If she list weight she would feel better about herself and we wouldn't all have to creep around say "oh actually she looks great for a big girl" incase we upset you.

I'm at work also, and you don't need to dedicate time to an issue to discover logic. Nobody is jumping all over you, but your argument that a change in her physical appearance would lead to a change in her character is simply flawed and I think you know it too.