[Livia]

Originally Posted by robb

Here's the thing.......would the Large One have even made the final if she'd got a slim build? My feeling is that girls would have been jealous of her messing with skippy, and she would have been booted out, presuming the housemates had not fallen for the not-so Large One's friendly banter all over again. The Large One is perceived to be no threat, so she cake walks it.

If Josie wasn't a big girl things would have been different. She would not have been the non-threatening girl who jokes around and puts herself down. More girls would have voted for her and she'd have probably been out. Of course, if she was skinnier, John James would have probably taken exception to her and treated her like he treated Rachael. And Rachel. And Sunshine... etc.

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by Livia

If Josie wasn't a big girl things would have been different. She would not have been the non-threatening girl who jokes around and puts herself down. More girls would have voted for her and she'd have probably been out. Of course, if she was skinnier, John James would have probably taken exception to her and treated her like he treated Rachael. And Rachel. And Sunshine... etc.

Josie has never been up for eviction, so unless her looks would have changed peoples noms which I dont think they would, she definitely wouldnt be out

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

Josie has never been up for eviction, so unless her looks would have changed peoples noms which I dont think they would, she definitely wouldnt be out

You can't say "she definitely wouldn't be out" because you simply don't know. You're assuming that her character would be the same as a size 10 as it is as a size 18, or whatever she is. And it wouldn't.

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by Livia

You can't say "she definitely wouldn't be out" because you simply don't know. You're assuming that her character would be the same as a size 10 as it is as a size 18, or whatever she is. And it wouldn't.

I'm saying she was never up for eviction, which she wasn't. I'm also saying that since she was never even close to being up, I don't think her being a size 10 would have swung noms that much to change it

Yes I'm assuming her character would be similar as a size ten, and at the same time your assuming it wouldn't.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

I'm saying she was never up for eviction, which she wasn't. I'm also saying that since she was never even close to being up, I don't think her being a size 10 would have swung noms that much to change it

Yes I'm assuming her character would be similar as a size ten, and at the same time your assuming it wouldn't.

Yes, her character would have been different - she wouldn't have been able to keep playing the victim card - with the woah is me - poor fat, country bumpkin - who can't get her man!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Yes, her character would have been different - she wouldn't have been able to keep playing the victim card - with the woah is me - poor fat, country bumpkin - who can't get her man!

God your weird

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

God your weird

Not my fault or problem if you lack understanding!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

If Josie wasn't a big girl things would have been different. She would not have been the non-threatening girl who jokes around and puts herself down. More girls would have voted for her and she'd have probably been out. Of course, if she was skinnier, John James would have probably taken exception to her and treated her like he treated Rachael. And Rachel. And Sunshine... etc.

Are you forgetting Sophie Reade?

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Are you forgetting Sophie Reade?

and Rachel from BB9

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

and Rachel from BB9

Kate Lawler

[Omen]

Originally Posted by Showstopper

and Rachel from BB9

She was a heifer too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Are you forgetting Sophie Reade?

What's your point?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

What's your point?

She was skinny , pretty and WON!

[Showstopper]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She was skinny , pretty and WON!

100% correct

[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She was skinny , pretty and WON!

We're not discussing Sophie, we're discussing Josie.

I'm not saying you can't be pretty, skinny and nice. I'm saying you can't tell how someone's character would change if their appearance was different. When people slim down from large to small, their confidence changes, their character changes; the same when they go from skinny to bigger... everything changes because the way people view you and the way people treat you changes. Josie wouldn't have to be the class clown for attention anymore.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're not discussing Sophie, we're discussing Josie.

I'm not saying you can't be pretty, skinny and nice. I'm saying you can't tell how someone's character would change if their appearance was different. When people slim down from large to small, their confidence changes, their character changes; the same when they go from skinny to bigger... everything changes because the way people view you and the way people treat you changes. Josie wouldn't have to be the class clown for attention anymore.

Your saying you cant tell how she would be as a size 10 yet you stated that she wouldnt be the same person in another post.

Contradicting yourself much?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Your saying you cant tell how she would be as a size 10 yet you stated that she wouldnt be the same person in another post.

Contradicting yourself much?

Obviously no one can tell what someone will be like because nothing in life is black or white. We both know that. But I'm saying, having experienced people who have slimmed down and people who have bulked up, their character changes.

Deliberately being obtuse, much?

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

If Josie wasn't a big girl things would have been different. She would not have been the non-threatening girl who jokes around and puts herself down. More girls would have voted for her and she'd have probably been out. Of course, if she was skinnier, John James would have probably taken exception to her and treated her like he treated Rachael. And Rachel. And Sunshine... etc.

Agree 100%
If Josie was slim and she is pretty she would have been on JJames hit list.
He himself admits he has issue's with stunning girls.he would not doubt of had a fair few pops at her and bitched to HM's about her.I think it was fairly obvious to HM's that whoever JJames had issues with was voted out in the eviction.
I wonder if she was slimmer , disliked by JJames and given that she lay around all day sucking her thumb(which he would most likely pulled her apart on that issue) would she have ever been up for eviction.My guess is she would have and would have been long gone.
Josie shouldn't be judged or called names because of her weight but every single housemate has been called names on all forums ,why when it comes to Josie it's bulling?/