[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It makes me sick that people think this could have been faked. Or done by the Government.

Just...wow. Get a real grip on politics. Then we'll 'discuss' (there's very little solid claim to discuss) it.

Not saying it was faked, or wasn't. Just questioning a few things.

Someone pointed me to those videos...never thought about it all before to be honest.

I think actually, it is more likely that the government stood back and allowed it, rather than that they actually did it. Though the reasoning for it is unclear...except for what Remy said above.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It makes me sick that people think this could have been faked. Or done by the Government.

Just...wow. Get a real grip on politics. Then we'll 'discuss' (there's very little solid claim to discuss) it.

Shaun, if you actually studied politics and spent over 10 hours studying the 9/11 topic at Uni, you would know things aren't what they look like on TV. That's what politics + media are all about: people buy what they see on TV and don't make an opinion by themselves.

People also need to understand that governments don't do things on their goodwill or because they have a nice heart: money rules the world. The more dominant you are on natural resources, the more powerful you are. The next big battle will be about water, because trust me, water is the next gold.

As for my short reasoning above, I could have gone for a very very very very very long post describing everything from A to Z but I made it short.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

The next big battle will be about water, because trust me, water is the next gold.

If they can ever develop the technology

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

If they can ever develop the technology

No need for big technology, what we have now is already good for it. Politicians are starting to get very interested on the subject because we know we're screwed for fuel, now water is about to become a hot topic.

[MTVN]

What happened? Terrorists flew two planes into the Twin Towers in an organised attack. That's it.

[arista]

"The fire weakened the steel. It did not melt the towers. The weakening caused them to collapse. I never questioned this. "


Good vicky
you can lock this now

[Vicky.]

Why would I lock it arista?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why would I lock it arista?

Because there is no need to Question why the buildings went down
it was a Clever Saudi Attack.
Level with Japans Pearl harbour Attack.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Because there is no need to Question why the buildings went down
it was a Clever Saudi Attack.
Level with Japans Pearl harbour Attack.

But I am not questioning why the buildings went down :S

[Shasown]

The reinforcing of the buildings was affected by the impacts of the aircraft and the subsequent fires, floors above eventually collapsed down the stressed structure of the building wasnt designed to withstand downward impacts so a very fast ripple collapse occurred.

[arista]

"On the other, how on earth, if the government did not plan/allow this, did this all happen without some kind of intervention? "


Saying "If "
GWBush planned this is Crazy

Thats why you would Lock it.


and all from DS threads
they are below this Forum

[arista]

Vicky
what is it you do not understand, yourself.

Not all the Freaks from DS.

[Smithy]

It's weird because I was thinking about it a few days ago, and although some things don't seem to make sense I doubt that the US government were involved.

But it does make you think, especially after the terrorists VISA card was found amongst the rubble of the towers

[King Gizzard]

short change 9/11 documentary = one of the best i've ever watched

[Vicky.]

Just looking into it more now. No doubt the videos below will be rubbished, but I think they are quite interesting. Not saying I believe one way or the other, but its interesting to find some experts in stuff like this that agree that it is dodgy. When quite a lot of people who deny anything was off about that day claim that no experts agree with the conspiracists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av9ZE7X9sFI

Physics professor Stephen jones...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6D4dla17aA

Dutch demolition expert on wtc7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns_hjONWZ88

Tom Sullivan-Explosives technician...



The way wtc7 collapse is also quite interesting. I can take the explanation of weakened steel and parts collapsing onto of each other, causing the flatpack effect that we saw with the other towers. But wtc7, started collapsing from the bottom. No top floors collapsed, causing the others to collapse... like with the other 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Straight down...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ET...eature=related

A new camera angle on it. Still nothing collapsing ontop of other floors..to make it flatpack.

If this building did indeed collapse due to fire weakening the steel, like the other two buildings...how on earth did it fall in the way it did? Straight down, like the other 2. But no reason for it. The first two went down because the fire and impact weakened the steel structure and made floors collapse onto of each other, that does actually make sense. But with wtc7... it does not.

[Smithy]

Vicky your gonna get killed by the FBI tonight

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Vicky your gonna get killed by the FBI tonight

[BBfan46]

In all honesty, it's human nature to doubt big events in society. As corrupt and ignorant the US Government they couldn't possibly justify destroying the World Trade Center and launching an attack on the president's home! They'd have had no way of knowing the passengers would fight back and take back the plane. Theories like this are up all the time, there's a really interesting one on Michael Jackson's death. It's fascinating but lies most likely.

www.michaeljacksonsightings.com

[Smithy]

I blame you Vicky

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I blame you Vicky

Theres a bloody change

[Omen]

I read a good article written by Eamon Dunphy. He wrote many newpaper articles on the subject in The Irish Mail. Anyway, his hypothesis ws that 9/11 was used as the causus belli to unleash the Project For A New American Century. I think there can be little doubt that this was the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

"The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006....The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War."

9/11 was a gift for these guys.

[Zippy]

I believe the attack was a genius terrorist masterstroke. Worked to perfection.

With a little help along the way by incompetence from those whose job it was to stop such events occuring.

But no conspiracy. Why would the US goverment make themselves look so useless?

[BBfan46]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I believe the attack was a genius terrorist masterstroke. Worked to perfection.

With a little help along the way by incompetence from those whose job it was to stop such events occuring.

But no conspiracy. Why would the US goverment make themselves look so useless?

The attack was not genius, it was largely down to the unassuming American government, the FBI knew Muslim activists were training to be pilots in the States and even granted them permits to take such lessons and there were suspicions raised about the motives of the inevitable hijackers when they got aboard the plane but it was dropped, I do agree, it wasn't the government's doing but it was their fault I mean they didn't even ****ing evacuate the second tower? Accident or not, you would have thought it was a basic safety feature and when United 93 was on course for the White House, the nearest military jet was 100 miles away despite many calls from distressed passengers, the FBI only knew the plane had been hijacked four minutes AFTER it had gone down.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by BBfan46

The attack was not genius...

Er, yes it was. The most memorable terrorist attack in modern history.

The rest of your post is just speculation and opinion. I don't believe anybody allowed anything because at the end of the day people are accountable in their jobs and nobody chooses to look incompetent. Especially when it involves thousands of deaths.

[Omen]

I've read that if the terrorists hadn't knocked them down then someone else would have had to sooner rather than later, so they did their new owner, who had them insured for double their value, a huge favour. Their demolition was, I believe, well under consideration already.