[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Shaun

That's all very swish and dandy, but I highly doubt that the walls of your pregnant womb were imbued with an elixir of knowledge. I hate this assumption that all teenagers and childless parties in this argument cannot understand the severity of the crime committed here, because they haven't fulfilled a universally available biological process.

It's interesting what lily and setanta said - if this were their children they would want to rip them apart. And that's understandable - there is no underestimating the personal hatred and anger they, or you, or I, would go through in that scenario.

However, here, the crime is entirely neutral to all of us. And yet we're divided into two camps: those with composure, and those citing violence. That is the very core distinction here.

Of course, citing violence and causing it are very different things. But that's only in this instance - for example, looking at child porn and taking part in child porn are very different. Does that make the observant form (the former) any less severe? No, because they are still practicing in child pornography. You, and angus58, and whoever else has posted in agreement here, are practicing in violence.

How do you know what crime is neutral to people?No one is inciting violence,people write things like that all the time it doesn't mean they would ever carry it out,Have you ever said you would kill someone,most of us have in anger,they are throw away lines and people are taking them too literally,having said that,I have every reason to feel as i do,it's not for this forum,but some criminals are beyond help and a slap on the wrist will never make them behave!!!