[Angus]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Until anyone in here says they have kids and wouldn't kill for their kids I'm not going to bother posting

It's no coincidence that all the ones who actually have children are of a like mind - it's oh so easy to be tolerant and reasonable when you have no emotional investment in the issue, or any experience of the feelings you have once you become a mum or dad. My eldest son who became a father himself a year ago, told me he had no idea he would feel the way he did, it was overpowering for him and he has told me that he would die for his son, and would never, ever let anyone hurt him. To me that is a normal feeling for any parent and is not something that you can explain or teach your children. They will feel it themselves when they have their own children, so there is no need for explanation. Like it or not, those that don't have children have absolutely NO idea of what that feels like. They can imagine it, but not actually feel it.

But what truly pisses me off is the naive moralising of people who have had little or no experience of real life but feel qualified to lecture me on ethical issues. Until they have suffered the terrible loss of a loved one at the hands of a lowlife piece of scum, they do not know how they would react. Unfortunately, some of us have already been faced with such a loss and know only too well.

And justice, by the way, is defined as fairness and equity in our dealings with others, therefore the punishment should fit the crime. If that equates to an eye for an eye, then so be it. The moment you try to interfere with that concept of fairness and equity by trying to bring other factors such as the deeply flawed Human Rights legislation into the mix, justice can no longer be done.