[Benjamin]

Decision on future of Gamu expected


By RUSSELL JACKSON

REJECTED X Factor contestant Gamu Nhengu is expected to learn today if she will have to leave Scotland and return to her native Zimbabwe.

Her family, who live in Tillicoultry, Clackmannanshire, lodged an application of appeal at an immigration court last week to try to overturn a Home Office deportation order, after it emerged the 18-year-old singer's mother's visa had expired and will not be extended.

Gary Cocker, of the Federation of Student Nationalists, yesterday told the SNP conference in Perth the row surrounding the singer has given a face to the "injustice and suffering" of the immigration system.

He said: "Because of the plight of Gamu Nhengu whose performance in The X Factor has captured the hearts of the nation, the injustice and suffering caused by the immigration system has been given a face and voice."

Scotland's culture minister Fiona Hyslop recently wrote to Home Secretary Theresa May calling for any options which would allow the singer's family to stay in Scotland to be fully explored.

Central Scotland MSP Christina McKelvie said an inquiry by Holyrood's equal opportunities committee had "exposed the myths" that immigrants come to Scotland and take houses and jobs.

She hit out at the "horrors" of UK immigration policy, including detention of children.

"We are an egalitarian, welfare-based nation - let's continue that and buck the trend of fear, suspicion and negativity," she said.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/De...amu.6585772.jp

[ElProximo]

Let me say it again:

I have nothing against Gamu and I have no doubt plenty of condescending mini-dictators fill UK immigration and customs,
and,
Obviously nobody wants Gamu to have anything less than a great life and she ought not be blamed for anything her Mother did (or not).

HOWEVER...
..Gamu doesn't live here. She is a visitor (no problem) but now the visit is finished.
Likewise, Australian and Canadian backpackers (even though they are commonwealth too) they cannot stay longer than their visa allows.

Plenty of tourists or friends or family come to the UK and visit for 6 month or even a year and great!
Then they have to return home.
Hey.. they can reapply and come visit again too!

Gamu doesn't live in Scotland, she is not a Brit, she is a citizen of Zimbabwe.

What's the problem in all this?
Gamu and her Mother HURT IMMIGRANTS.

Let me repeat that:
Gamu and her mother are HURTING IMMIGRANTS AND CAUSING MANY PROBLEMS FOR IMMIGRANTS.

Obviously, I don't think Gamu herself actually intends or is really aware that SHE IS HURTING IMMIGRANTS,
but,
That is what is ultimately happening while they are taking up a lot of time, resources, money THAT SOMEONE ELSE DESERVES AND IS WAITING FOR AND NOW LOSES.

There are thousands of Immigrants. Legitimate immigrants who have not only PAID to get in the queue,
but,
these sincere, honest immigrants HAVE WAITED FOR LONG LONG PERIODS OF TIME,
and,
They have invested MASSIVE time and effort and finances into a very complicated long process of paperwork, interviews, examinations and all but pulling their pants down for rectal exams and allowing the UK to interrogate them 'as if' they were guilty until proving innocent.
BUT NO!
They will be waiting longer (some are desperately waiting to be reunited with spouses or family) waiting longer and longer THANKS TO GAMU AND HER MOTHER!

So Gamu and Mumma Gamu should not only leave now but on the way out walk past long queues of legitimate immigrants (who have PAID TO BE THERE) and Gamu's Mom should APOLOGIZE TO THE IMMIGRANTS on her way home.

Home is Zimbabwe. That is where they live. They don't live here. By all means they should come back to visit soon,
but,
at this time THEY ARE HURTING IMMIGRANTS who are already suffering enough.

So good-bye visitors and please do not come back CAUSING PROBLEMS DELAYS AND TAKING UP THE RESOURCES OF DESERVING IMMIGRANTS WHO WERE WAITING AHEAD OF YOU.

[Kerry]

Wow El, passionate there.

[Jamietwo]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Let me say it again:

I have nothing against Gamu and I have no doubt plenty of condescending mini-dictators fill UK immigration and customs,
and,
Obviously nobody wants Gamu to have anything less than a great life and she ought not be blamed for anything her Mother did (or not).

HOWEVER...
..Gamu doesn't live here. She is a visitor (no problem) but now the visit is finished.
Likewise, Australian and Canadian backpackers (even though they are commonwealth too) they cannot stay longer than their visa allows.

Plenty of tourists or friends or family come to the UK and visit for 6 month or even a year and great!
Then they have to return home.
Hey.. they can reapply and come visit again too!

Gamu doesn't live in Scotland, she is not a Brit, she is a citizen of Zimbabwe.

What's the problem in all this?
Gamu and her Mother HURT IMMIGRANTS.

Let me repeat that:
Gamu and her mother are HURTING IMMIGRANTS AND CAUSING MANY PROBLEMS FOR IMMIGRANTS.

Obviously, I don't think Gamu herself actually intends or is really aware that SHE IS HURTING IMMIGRANTS,
but,
That is what is ultimately happening while they are taking up a lot of time, resources, money THAT SOMEONE ELSE DESERVES AND IS WAITING FOR AND NOW LOSES.

There are thousands of Immigrants. Legitimate immigrants who have not only PAID to get in the queue,
but,
these sincere, honest immigrants HAVE WAITED FOR LONG LONG PERIODS OF TIME,
and,
They have invested MASSIVE time and effort and finances into a very complicated long process of paperwork, interviews, examinations and all but pulling their pants down for rectal exams and allowing the UK to interrogate them 'as if' they were guilty until proving innocent.
BUT NO!
They will be waiting longer (some are desperately waiting to be reunited with spouses or family) waiting longer and longer THANKS TO GAMU AND HER MOTHER!

So Gamu and Mumma Gamu should not only leave now but on the way out walk past long queues of legitimate immigrants (who have PAID TO BE THERE) and Gamu's Mom should APOLOGIZE TO THE IMMIGRANTS on her way home.

Home is Zimbabwe. That is where they live. They don't live here. By all means they should come back to visit soon,
but,
at this time THEY ARE HURTING IMMIGRANTS who are already suffering enough.

So good-bye visitors and please do not come back CAUSING PROBLEMS DELAYS AND TAKING UP THE RESOURCES OF DESERVING IMMIGRANTS WHO WERE WAITING AHEAD OF YOU.

ok i'm kind of with you, but who are the deserving ones and how did they pay, i don't understand, would genuinely like to be enlightened here.

[cub]

Apparently she's going on the Zimbabwe version of The Apprentice.

"Gamu, regretably, you're firing squad."

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Jamietwo

ok i'm kind of with you, but who are the deserving ones and how did they pay, i don't understand, would genuinely like to be enlightened here.

Oh its almost unbelievable the process an immigrant must go through from the day they start to the day they get that actual visa. It will be different for different 'classes' (and the rules/process can change over the years),
but,
a 100% fully compliant law abiding immigrant may first way years (yes years) just to get in the list depending on how many in their country are already in queue (UK has set limits per year per country).
OK.
Say after 1 year (lets be generous) now the applicant is going to start with a big fat massive pile of baffling bureaucratic of applications which will almost require them to attend 2 months worth of courses to understand,
then,
they will almost certainly have to apply in something like a 'worker class' or choose a 'skilled professional class' (the days of just applying to start a new life and be unskilled are gone it seems),
so,
our hypothetical polish carpenter is doing something beyond a 'CV' but what will be the most in-depth cross-examination of every thing from his primary school to his 'high school' to every college course,
and,
keep in mind these are so detailed that every moment of his life must be accounted for.
For example.. a 3 month 'missing time' between his graduation and his 'trade school start date' could be grounds for elimination.
OK
Now wait until he includes family members. Same idea. EVERY date in their lives and every place they live,
and,
get ready for documents. We are talking every document (primary school records, wifes birth certificates, every trade certificate whether it was 20 years ago or not),
and,
now imagine every single thing needs to be official copies, notarized, translated by official people.
Now its possible they must show language proficiency (i think that is in now),
and,
we are still talking about just beginning 'phase one' here. This can go on for 6 months before we start talking medical examinations, blood tests, then we have police records and all must be as directed or taken as specifically designated. (this could be hundreds of miles from their homes btw)
Months later they may eventually find themselves getting to an 'interview phase' where they may travel hundreds of miles to the whatever-British Embassy.
There they will be subject to what are nothing less than detectives trained to catch them in lies or find problems and roast them over every detail, testing them.
Now keep in mind that every damn paper, every damn official medical exam, every twist and turn and paper and notorization and translation has fee after fee.
They got fee's for seemingly made-up things, fees for filing, fees for visas etc etc.
At this time our hypothetical Polish dad can easily have paid well over a thousand quid.. actually I say far more than that if you count the travel time, expensive couriers, if he has to visit cities, medical exams (they jack up prices knowing you can ONLY take them at UK approved clinics btw).
And all this and they STILL DO NOT HAVE APPROVAL YET!

They have done tremendous work, tremendous grueling effort and basically taken 'courses', waited for often years (years and years) putting their life on hold so to speak,
....Yet Gamu, Asylum Seekers and Illegals ROB MASSIVE TIME MONEY AND MANPOWER from the system.
They didn't wait.
They didn't pay all those fees.
They didn't have to swear oaths or spend months collecting documents and filing and doing the papers,
They don't have to grovel and prove themselves - they are in and on the system by simply crashing the queue and forcing immigration to deal with them first.

Just imagine.. there is a husband sitting in the UK right now who hasn't seen his wife in over 1 year. He is desperate, she is crying on the phone, they are dying inside... their marriage is strained.... they are waiting for a damn spouse approval and just invested the last year and thousands on this process which they 100% followed in every proper legal way,
yet,
they will now be torn apart for another two months BECAUSE GAMU'S MUM IS TAKING UP THE TIME, RESOURCES and PLACE that couple deserved and paid for and waited for crying at nights.

So **** Gamu's mother for hurting immigrants and causing pain and suffering and stealing from immigrants.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree, she is a viz, end of

[M X]

It's sad to see this happen, but there's loads of people this happens too and it doesn't get this kind of coverage.

[karezza]

Every Zimbabwean should be allowed to live in England including Robert Mugabe.

[Z]

I hope the stories about firing squads aren't true, how awful...

[karezza]

Originally Posted by Zee

I hope the stories about firing squads aren't true, how awful...

Only for Whitey.

[Jamietwo]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

At this time our hypothetical Polish dad can easily have paid well over a thousand quid..

thanks for your reply, just wanted to clarify though that Poland is part of Europe and i thought europeans could move about and work/live anywhere in the EU.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Jamietwo

thanks for your reply, just wanted to clarify though that Poland is part of Europe and i thought europeans could move about and work/live anywhere in the EU.

Probably, I don't know. Nothing I was saying is necessarily exact procedure but a sort of hypothetical overview of some typical immigrants.

For some reason I picked a polish guy wanting to move here (not just work) but you could just imagine a Chinese, a Zimbabwean, a Kiwi and imagine the all kinds of different sorts of classes (however they do these, spouse, business, workers or however they do it).

btw.. I don't know how much this is changed (or which countries are included now) but not that many years ago even that 'EU work permit' thing was PLENTY complicated, paper-work and bureaucratic agony and had a plenty long wait time.
But look at it this way - even if they have streamlined or improved it is still made slower, more expensive and time consuming (for everyone) when illegal people show up 'queue jumping'.

Again, i have nothing against Gamu but why should they get to move ahead of 1000 others (maybe many from Zimbabwe?) who did their part and paid and are waiting?

[Jamietwo]

Originally Posted by karezza

Every Zimbabwean should be allowed to live in England including Robert Mugabe.

Robert is about 85 , doubt he has much time left. he is a rather unpleasant individual.

Also Africa is not just a crime ridden hell hole for white people, Rape, crime and the disorganised chaos that is the politics are a part of everyday life in most of sub saharan africa. A black child is raped by a black male in Africa every single second, and we are talking babies of 6 months old included. Men are raped regularly as well. gays are either killed or put in prison. parts of South Africa are still visitable with caution but are deteriorating into chaos rapidly. It's very sad, there is no way we can help all of them, but I wish we could keep gamu, she is so talented and sweet. I just hope sub saharan africa can discover civilisation for itself one day. The suffering there is unbelievable.

[arista]

Originally Posted by karezza

Every Zimbabwean should be allowed to live in England including Robert Mugabe.

Not anymore
it has all changed.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Jamietwo

Robert is about 85 , doubt he has much time left. he is a rather unpleasant individual.

Also Africa is not just a crime ridden hell hole for white people, Rape, crime and the disorganised chaos that is the politics are a part of everyday life in most of sub saharan africa. A black child is raped by a black male in Africa every single second, and we are talking babies of 6 months old included. Men are raped regularly as well. gays are either killed or put in prison. parts of South Africa are still visitable with caution but are deteriorating into chaos rapidly. It's very sad, there is no way we can help all of them, but I wish we could keep gamu, she is so talented and sweet. I just hope sub saharan africa can discover civilisation for itself one day. The suffering there is unbelievable.

I was watching a documentary on West Africa and while there are certainly some nice places and great villages... ...wow, there was absolute chaos and just sheer horror elsewhere!
My Dad actually phoned me after watching it himself and we could not actually believe that existed!
If we had not seen this we would not actually believe there was a place on earth where this kind of horrific chaotic existence could happen.

I don't think the worst horror movies even thought of what was going on there.
I cannot even DESCRIBE what was happening on this forum - its that bad!

But then here is a question:
So if the idea was to simply evacuate all these people to the UK then what have you done for them?
For starters now they are doing it here,
or,
if you say you will take just the ones who claim they are escaping it then who is left to change anything there?
Who reforms it if the would-be-reformers are grabbed up by Britain?
So we get to take all the good ones and leave the bad ones there to degenerate into more psychotic animalistic horrors?

But as far as your wish to help Gamu - I have great news - You CAN!
Right now!
You may have to do some googling but I understand there was some org taking donations so you can give some of your money (maybe even through a few internet clicks) to Gamu's cause,
and,
If that doesn't satisfy you then I happen to know a few folks from Zimbabwe (who went through long legitimate expensive immigration processes to move here legally and now work and pay taxes),
and,
they told me there are a whole lot of various humanitarian, religious (or secular) organizations I'm sure you can join.
Some even use donations to pay for your airfare and give you a room to stay in while you help them build schools, clinics, etc.

So yes, your wish can definitely come true and you can do something to help Gamu!
Let us know how you did

[Jamietwo]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I was watching a documentary on West Africa and while there are certainly some nice places and great villages... ...wow, there was absolute chaos and just sheer horror elsewhere!
My Dad actually phoned me after watching it himself and we could not actually believe that existed!
If we had not seen this we would not actually believe there was a place on earth where this kind of horrific chaotic existence could happen.

I don't think the worst horror movies even thought of what was going on there.
I cannot even DESCRIBE what was happening on this forum - its that bad!

But then here is a question:
So if the idea was to simply evacuate all these people to the UK then what have you done for them?
For starters now they are doing it here,
or,
if you say you will take just the ones who claim they are escaping it then who is left to change anything there?
Who reforms it if the would-be-reformers are grabbed up by Britain?
So we get to take all the good ones and leave the bad ones there to degenerate into more psychotic animalistic horrors?

But as far as your wish to help Gamu - I have great news - You CAN!
Right now!
You may have to do some googling but I understand there was some org taking donations so you can give some of your money (maybe even through a few internet clicks) to Gamu's cause,
and,
If that doesn't satisfy you then I happen to know a few folks from Zimbabwe (who went through long legitimate expensive immigration processes to move here legally and now work and pay taxes),
and,
they told me there are a whole lot of various humanitarian, religious (or secular) organizations I'm sure you can join.
Some even use donations to pay for your airfare and give you a room to stay in while you help them build schools, clinics, etc.

So yes, your wish can definitely come true and you can do something to help Gamu!
Let us know how you did

thanks el proximo, i tend to agree with you, and yes there are things they do in Africa that i wouldn't feel comfortable posting here. Horrible unpleasant things that make horror films seem tame, i think we must have seen the same documentary.

[Beastie]

So is Gamuse staying or going?