[joeysteele]

I am not a killjoy normally, I don't however like fireworks(despite being still a teen) or see the need to ceelbrate some figure like Guy Fawkes. Fireworks are becoming really nastier now, they also make more noise too,the worst part is that bonfire night seems to last at least a week now.
Animals are scared rotten, my pup hates the noise of fireworks.Mu family have to keep him in all the time on that night and many other nights too in the week.

I think, and its not a popular view,I accept I am well in the minority heer but if we must have the accursed bonfire night then it should be the 'one' night and only organised bonfires with strict supervision of setting off fireworks too.

Number one for me is that the Firemen/women do a fantastic job, I understand that the London dispute is over old and bnew contracts,not just about wages, I am 100% sure they don't want to strike on 5th November really,I don't like the Unions, they will have pointed out that maximum disturbance on a major night/s is the best way to get some deal,so that the firemen are put in a near impossible situation.

I hope they don't strike because I know if there are higher casualties if they do, it will always be down to the firemen striking and not the silly,incompetent people who allow bonfires to be had unattended and not supervised properly,and also the daft people whi think they are big taking risks in the way they light fireworks and then think its a great game to even trowm them around, not forgetting the daft loutish element that throw the cursed things through peoples letterboxes and also are so brainless and cruel they throw them at animals or even are sick enough to tie fireworks to animals tails.

Sometimes it is maddening to think of the stupid people that Firemen have to be there for and save.For celebrating an event from near 400 years ago of a figure who was trying to blow parliament up.
As I say, I hope the strike is halted,for the 'innocents' sakes.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not a killjoy normally, I don't however like fireworks(despite being still a teen) or see the need to ceelbrate some figure like Guy Fawkes. Fireworks are becoming really nastier now, they also make more noise too,the worst part is that bonfire night seems to last at least a week now.
Animals are scared rotten, my pup hates the noise of fireworks.Mu family have to keep him in all the time on that night and many other nights too in the week.

I think, and its not a popular view,I accept I am well in the minority heer but if we must have the accursed bonfire night then it should be the 'one' night and only organised bonfires with strict supervision of setting off fireworks too.

Number one for me is that the Firemen/women do a fantastic job, I understand that the London dispute is over old and bnew contracts,not just about wages, I am 100% sure they don't want to strike on 5th November really,I don't like the Unions, they will have pointed out that maximum disturbance on a major night/s is the best way to get some deal,so that the firemen are put in a near impossible situation.

I hope they don't strike because I know if there are higher casualties if they do, it will always be down to the firemen striking and not the silly,incompetent people who allow bonfires to be had unattended and not supervised properly,and also the daft people whi think they are big taking risks in the way they light fireworks and then think its a great game to even trowm them around, not forgetting the daft loutish element that throw the cursed things through peoples letterboxes and also are so brainless and cruel they throw them at animals or even are sick enough to tie fireworks to animals tails.

Sometimes it is maddening to think of the stupid people that Firemen have to be there for and save.For celebrating an event from near 400 years ago of a figure who was trying to blow parliament up.
As I say, I hope the strike is halted,for the 'innocents' sakes.

Wouldnt really say Guy Fawkes is "celebrated".

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Wouldnt really say Guy Fawkes is "celebrated".

Perhaps celebrate was the wrong phrase,but I will re-phrase it as to why do we bother with this archaeic night anyway,
They stick a guy on the bonfire so he is one of the main characters of the night,but I take your point its not necessarily celebtrating him, however what knocking on people's doors asking for penny for they guy is if its not him as the main focal point then I don't know what is.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Didn't they also do this a few years back at the exact same time?

Yes, the army had to step in

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Yes, the army had to step in

Yes, the army will have to step in again - the army, whose soldiers are on less pay than firemen; who risk their lives on a daily basis in some of the most dangerous places on earth, often without the benefit of proper equipment; who are away from their families for months on end, and who do not hold the country to ransom with irresponsible, selfish and cynically self serving strikes.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yes, the army will have to step in again - the army, whose soldiers are on less pay than firemen; who risk their lives on a daily basis in some of the most dangerous places on earth, often without the benefit of proper equipment; who are away from their families for months on end, and who do not hold the country to ransom with irresponsible, selfish and cynically self serving strikes.

Yeah

I remember seeing the green engines. Forget the name of the appliance now. Green Duchess?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Yeah

I remember seeing the green engines. Forget the name of the appliance now. Green Duchess?

The Green Goddess, last used in the strike of 2002/3, but I think they have all been sold off now, and as far as I know only 27 fire engines are going to be available to the army for the whole of London!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

The Green Goddess, last used in the strike of 2002/3, but I think they have all been sold off now, and as far as I know only 27 fire engines are going to be available to the army for the whole of London!

Those 27 fire engines arent for the use by the Armed Forces. They have already been removed from service prior to strike as a contingency plan by the London Fire Brigade, they will be manned in the event of a strike by personnel provided by AssetCo.

Its about one fifth of the number of engines normally available. It is to stop any possible extension of the strike by the fire unions claiming breach of picket lines etc. And to be able to provide emergency response with minimal conflict between picketing strikers and contracted firefighters.

If the Mayor, City Council and London Fire Service are not happy with the contingency cover, they can request additional assistance from the Armed Forces. Initially from the RAF stations in and around London, but if the strike was to be extended then it would be nationwide support from the services.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by angus58

The Green Goddess, last used in the strike of 2002/3, but I think they have all been sold off now, and as far as I know only 27 fire engines are going to be available to the army for the whole of London!

Goddess. Thats it. I thought that at first then thought it didn't sound right

27 for London? Thats madness

[Zippy]

I think its disgraceful. Clearly doing it to grab attention but its actually putting real lives at risk. And these people are supposed to be heroic? Nothing heroic about putting lives at risk over potential job cuts. All sectors are cutting back.

Army, police and prison officers cannot strike and I think firefighters should be added to that list. If you dont like it then don't become a bloody firefighter! Some services are just too essential to be messed with by jumped up union leaders.

[arista]

"Some services are just too essential to be messed with by jumped up union leaders. "


Bang on Right.
Zippy.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Those 27 fire engines arent for the use by the Armed Forces. They have already been removed from service prior to strike as a contingency plan by the London Fire Brigade, they will be manned in the event of a strike by personnel provided by AssetCo.

Its about one fifth of the number of engines normally available. It is to stop any possible extension of the strike by the fire unions claiming breach of picket lines etc. And to be able to provide emergency response with minimal conflict between picketing strikers and contracted firefighters.

If the Mayor, City Council and London Fire Service are not happy with the contingency cover, they can request additional assistance from the Armed Forces. Initially from the RAF stations in and around London, but if the strike was to be extended then it would be nationwide support from the services.

Well at least AssetCo are primarily trained in firefighting, but the sparsity of available vehicles is still a disgrace for a city the size of London.

If anyone loses life or property because of this strike, I hope they sue the unions for compensation - I bloody would.

[Livia]

Not all the firemen will be behind the strike. The Army, who do dangerous and thankless work all over the world, will probably have to step in. But while the firemen are being portrayed as money-grabbing, leftie layabouts the soldiers are being portrayed as plaster saints. In reality, it's not such a big deal for the servicemen to cover the Fire Service for 24 hours. Most of them will have spent some time in Afghanistan lately. I know what I'd rather be doing.

If you want to blame someone for this, blame the unions.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not all the firemen will be behind the strike. The Army, who do dangerous and thankless work all over the world, will probably have to step in. But while the firemen are being portrayed as money-grabbing, leftie layabouts the soldiers are being portrayed as plaster saints. In reality, it's not such a big deal for the servicemen to cover the Fire Service for 24 hours. Most of them will have spent some time in Afghanistan lately. I know what I'd rather be doing.

If you want to blame someone for this, blame the unions.

Because of the limited duration of the strike, the services will simply use trained firemen within the services. If it is extended at a later date or further longer strikes are called then it will be treat as another detachment/roulement duty by the forces and people will have to take turns at it.

Given the repeated demands on some servicemen at the time with the variety of overseas deployments etc for some it will be the last straw. It happened 2002/03 when another strike was called. The Union Leaders at that time reckoned that the government would cave in quickly because of the service manpower requirements for Afghanistan and Iraq.

The number of fire tenders available for strike cover was decided on by the Leaders of the London Fire Brigade following experience during previous strikes. At least the tenders are modern unlike the Bedford RL based Green Goddess.

[arista]

The Evil Union
in London Striked today.

And the Evil Union members at some stations
blocked the non striking crews
they had to go to a nearby Shop Car Park.

ITV London Local News

[arista]

One Pathetic Union Fireman
was knocked to the ground as he was in Front of a Legal Fire Engine
trying to get back to the Station.

Some Stepped on him.

He is playing on this - going on both ITV and BBC London News.

The only reason these Fireman
will not sign the New changed hours contract
is the Bastards have Second Jobs (many not legal).


Fireman do a Great Service
but those on Strike are Corrupt.

[arista]

The London Fire Union
has now said they may not Strike Tomorrow.
Still waiting for Union Boss to confirm it though.

The Public would have turned on them if they did on that day.

SkyNewsHD and ITVLondon News Live

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

The London Fire Union
has now said they will not Strike Tomorrow.

The Public would have turned on them if they did on that day.

SkyNewsHD and ITVLondon News Live

Result: Public 1 - London Fire Union 0

"Discretion is the better part of valour"- for once commonsense has prevailed, but no doubt the union will be seeking to capitalise on exploiting their "consideration and concern" for the public, but most of us are not fooled by greedy, manipulative union bullies.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

One Pathetic Union Fireman
was knocked to the ground as he was in Front of a Legal Fire Engine
trying to get back to the Station.

Some Stepped on him.

He is playing on this - going on both ITV and BBC London News.

The only reason these Fireman
will not sign the New changed hours contract
is the Bastards have Second Jobs (many not legal).


Fireman do a Great Service
but those on Strike are Corrupt.

My brothers not a bastard(how very dare you), and he is not a striker either,he is working tomorrow,

[arista]

Originally Posted by kazanne

My brothers not a bastard,thankyou very much and he is not a striker either,he is working tomorrow,

Thats Good.
He is a Good Man.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by kazanne

My brothers not a bastard,thankyou very much and he is not a striker either,he is working tomorrow,

Kazanne, most of us know that it is not the firemen who want to strike, they are coerced by the Union bully boys.

[arista]

Fire Brigade Boss Dobson
Live on ITV London Local News
has just confirmed no strike tomorrow.


But the Fight is still on.

[arista]

Now the Stinking Union Boss
on BBCLondon TV News has just said he can not confirm the strike is Off.


Typical Bastard.