[joeysteele]

Rebecca always seems to be one of the early ones on,Cher is always neareer that end. I agree that is unfair.

The format should be made much fairer as to who goes when. Usually when I moan at this the next week who I am moaning about is on first so I wait to see if Cher goes on early this week.
With 4 girls still in the competition, Cheryl should certainly have the first act on. Let's hope it is Cher or Katie for a change.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

People forget that Simon knows what he is talking about. He knows who will sell records and who wouldn't its not just about who has the best vocals anymore.

Nobody is forgetting that. The topic itself is about people who know full well that Simon does know better.
He DOES know Cher can sell records as an in-studio recording artist.
Exactly.

The complaint is that he does know this but rather than just say its the reason he wants her to stay he is pretending she IS a great singer and a great performer...
...so to keep his FUTURE recording artist getting as many votes (and therefore air-time, publicity) as possible.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by happyland

He's still a sexpot though...

I agree

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nobody is forgetting that. The topic itself is about people who know full well that Simon does know better.
He DOES know Cher can sell records as an in-studio recording artist.
Exactly.

The complaint is that he does know this but rather than just say its the reason he wants her to stay he is pretending she IS a great singer and a great performer...
...so to keep his FUTURE recording artist getting as many votes (and therefore air-time, publicity) as possible.

Wagner with studio editing could be a recording artist aswell. Actually most people can these days.

[Mystic Mock]

i hate cher but she sang brilliant last saturday imo.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i hate cher but she sang brilliant last saturday imo.

yean but others did as good as her but didn't get the overated praise she did, please let katie and cher in bottom 2 this week (not going to happen but dreams sometimes come through)

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

yean but others did as good as her but didn't get the overated praise she did, please let katie and cher in bottom 2 this week (not going to happen but dreams sometimes come through)

dont worry katie will be gone in week 6.

[_Seth]

I agree totally, especially how he said "Liked you last week, loved you this week". Uhh no he still loved her previous performance.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

OP you are bang-on.

Over the last few years Simon has been a bit softer but that is not the problem here. He can be 'soft' but still tell the hard truth, be accurate and break the bad news.

No, this problem is something else. This is Simon seeing (correctly) a perfect recording artist payday in Cher. A perfect teen-pop hit-maker using a studio and some audio-engineering wizards and some slick music videos.
OK.
But instead of Simon (as we knew him) just blatantly stating this upfront we get Simon trying to convince us that she is truly magnificent and good in her own right in this competition.
Ugh.
Honestly, IF Simon just said all this outright "Cher, you are not great live on-stage but I hope you stay because you are a perfect recording artist" OK then!
I mean I'd respect Simon for just saying that and think it would actually bolster Cher.

But instead we all have to pretend along with this?
Like we don't know or what?

I WOULD expect this from the other judges but always Simon was the 'reality check' and balance.
Now what?

I agree with you, I think with Simon we've always trusted him to cut the sh*t and be honest and he's mostly right even if he is criticising one of our favourates. If he said 'Look Cher hasn't got the greatest voice, in fact at best she's mediocre in the singing department but I think we need something different this year and I think Cher is it' I would think hmmm he knows what he's talking about and I'm looking at this the wrong way. Simon is HONEST - brutal sometimes but honest. Its a bit like Samson and Delilah- when she cut off his hair and he lost his strength -Simon is Samson and Cheryl is Delilah and its soo painful to see him, a shadow of what we know he is

[nanaimo]

Simon is acting like a love sick puppy and it is very cringeful at the moment

[ElProximo]

November 6th:

Okay well I will give Simon credit for (slightly) coming to his senses and was finally the one judge who found a way to rightly criticize Cher's performance.

Now he was a little careful not to specifically mention the poor singing but correctly said she had to do better compared to others (what is coming up - meaning Matt, Rebecca and others).

Just have to give credit where its due. Simon came back to his sense thankfully.

[nanaimo]

yeah he showed signs of his old self last night, good job he reads tibb...hehe

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

yeah he showed signs of his old self last night, good job he reads tibb...hehe

I would have liked if he had said that Matts was the performance of the season though just to knock Cher off, though the standing ovation probably spoke more volumes